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owwwwwo t1_j6ig3hc wrote

Sure, I'm okay with whatever nuance you want to touchdown-dance on.

You seem like somebody who likes to argue pedantry, and I'm not into that sort of thing.

I see no difference between being a pro-business, Republican, Waterville Valley (a corporation) owning multi millionaire, and going "corporate". Quite literally their ideologies are one in the same.

Take care.

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owwwwwo t1_j2zdsg1 wrote

Gear sends a message. When you equip a person for war, it puts their mind in a war-like mentality.

Now I'm not saying don't let them have guns and kevlar under their shirts.

But we need to get away from BDUs with Tactical vests being the "norm". We're not in Afghanistan.

Say what you will about Troopers, I actually like their normal uniforms. Except that one dude in the Black surburban, again, that is dressed like he's in the ARMY.

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owwwwwo t1_j2koaqa wrote

> In other words, if a business doesn’t make money, a business fails. And without businesses, we all be unemployed.

This is not necessarily true. There are many business structures which aim to provide maximum benefit to their employees, rather than a single owner/corporate structure.

They're called cooperatives. Not only are they more stable structures, they also report higher employee satisfaction, and are even more stable in times of economic instability. (Turns out when you don't have stock holders leaching off your business, you can have broader priorities than "make money")

But thanks for the info!

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owwwwwo t1_iwr1cgl wrote

> The rates are going up because Oil and Gas supply is low which increases the costs paid by Eversource to the Power Plant. That cost is passed onto the consumer and doesn't go into Eversource's pockets.

Right, but they have a responsibility to provide returns to their shareholders, making reduction in their profits impossible. Even if it were in the best interest of the consumer. I'm agreeing with you.

>You realize this makes those "sky high profits" are worth less to them too, inflation hits both ways. They haven't increased the transmission charges by a large amount, which is what they profit from, so I don't see how it is all on them when both the total cost consumers pay and the change in costs are both dominated by the Power Plants and not the Utility company.

I agree. We should take control of power plants. I would prefer a cooperative-ownership type model which have been proven to be more stable in their decision-making (as consumers have a say), and responsive to the needs of their communities, rather than the detached wants of stock-owners.

>You seem angry that profit and private industry exist at all. Need I remind you that even the successful left wing countries don't nationalize most things, at most they create public-private corporations. Profit incentives are what drive investment, and that is what supplies Tax Dollars as well. You also seem to prefer shortages to high prices, which is the trade-off.

I am not a Communist. I'm not in favor of the State running everything. But I am in favor of the State running things that all humans require to live, and providing for the basic needs of our citizens.

I am okay with companies selling widgets or lamps. I'm not okay with middlemen profiting off the disabled not being able to heat their homes.

>First off, we ARE NOT an OPEC member. OPEC is a cartel of nations whose wealth is predominantly controlled by Oil and Gas profits, there incentive is the same as a private company, but with large militaries enforcing their will in addition to profit motives.

Excellent attempt at a dunk. I never said the US was a member. I said we participate in the system. Which we do, as we purchase oil (as you mentioned) from that exchange.

>Second, did you not see the production numbers? No, we couldn't make a fucking dent. 81.5%, what OPEC produces, is so significantly more than the 14.5% the United States produces that we alone cannot lower Oil and Gas prices.

You're highlighting the issue, not producing a solution. Energy is going to continue to get more expensive. We can either create more of our own, use less, or buy more from elsewhere.

I see it likely being a combination of all three, with a gravitation toward the first two over time.

>No we wouldn't, we we just move that power and more to Saudi Arabia's Aramco instead.

It's funny you mention this, because Aramco is owned by the Saudi royal family, is it not? They own 100% stock I believe. And they have created a Saudi-centric energy policy. Why wouldn't we try and do the same for the US?

>but if you run it at a net loss then austerity measures hit those less well connected first.

I'm confused. Austerity as in 'removal of subsidies'?

>They only affect the price of food, shipping, electricity, chemicals manufacturing (medicines, plastics, electronics, etc.), phosphates for farming, etc. Oil and Gas are critically important even beyond burning for electricity and your flippant nature towards that shows your lack of practicality and obessesion with being an ideologue.

I'm well aware of the amount of products oil creates. Thanks for the insult though.

Many alternatives are being found to replace most of these uses, as we continue to develop new technologies.

You sound like the guy that is angry about the steam engine being put out of service.

Well guess what, we still use those too, just in different ways.

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owwwwwo t1_iwqm0g1 wrote

Right, we're talking about two different things here.

You believe a private, for-profit company should be allowed to keep making $100s of Millions in profits, while jacking rates up on their customers.

I think their profits (which come after expenses as you know) shouldn't be that high at a time when inflation is so high.

Since private companies have one goal, maximizing profit, their interests are at odds with their consumers who seek to have heat and electricity so they don't die.

As I said, I would nationlize our industry. That doesn't mean we pull out of OPEC. We could still participate.

But we would stop allowing private oil, gas and energy companies to hold our citizens hostage.

We already subsidize all drilling costs. These companies aren't doing anything a publicly-run utility couldn't.

As for forward-looking policy, I was thinking of ways to become truly energy independent which definitely includes renewables, but also new investiture into nuclear.

I don't care about gas prices. In fact, one of the only ways to get normal people to adjust their lifestyles would be perpetually increasing price. Which is a certainty based on the nature of the substance being non-renewable, and the way in which we go about extracting and selling it.

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owwwwwo t1_iwpuwmk wrote

You still didn't address Eversource making $100 million in profits over last year according to their own financial disclosures.

The fact that we sell our energy to our enemies before buying it back is a silly system.

But if I were to suggest something like nationalizing our domestic production, and creating a nationalized plan for updating our infrastructure you would also be against that.

Let's be real dude. You only care about energy prices as far as it doesn't collide with your ideological predilections.

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