>It’s like people that bring up disabled people or children in a discussion that isn’t about them, just to try to divert the flow.

this guy a few comments ago:

>There are grown adults with conditions that prevent them from feeling pain. Can we terminate them?

I tried, too. You’re better off saving your energy for someone more receptive and capable of thinking critically.

Interesting!

When a sperm meets an egg and is implanted in the wall of the uterus, that is conception, the formation of an embryo. An embryo that will develop into a fetus, and so on. Technically you’re describing the start of a pregnancy. The idea of “life” is defined in many varying ways by many different belief systems. The concept of life, which people are using to dictate whether or not a fetus/pregnancy deserves human rights is based in spiritual beliefs about when “life” begins is amorphous. It’s an abstract idea that there’s no answer.

That’s the belief of Judaism, but Catholicism believes it starts at conception. Your own belief of when it starts is what dictates your moral compass when making decisions regarding reproductive health. That’s the point I’m making. The government shouldn’t get to decide.

I do want to have a discussion, but clearly we aren’t going to get anywhere meaningful. I hope you have a nice weekend.

wtf are you talking about? I can be agnostic and still agree with aspects of a religion or even just the sentiment of a pastor. you should take your username to heart and shut up for once lmao

I’m not religious, and it’s not murder. Cope.

Nice strawmans you got there. And, hey man, if you’re so against abortions, don’t get one. But why are you so deadset on making sure nobody else gets one? I don’t believe that a fetus is a person, you do. There’s no way to determine who’s right and who’s wrong and for that reason alone, we cannot codify laws preventing people from getting abortions. I’ll leave you with this quote:

>The unborn” are a convenient group of people to advocate for. They never make demands of you; they are morally uncomplicated, unlike the incarcerated, addicted, or the chronically poor; they don’t resent your condescension or complain that you are not politically correct; unlike widows, they don’t ask you to question patriarchy; unlike orphans, they don’t need money, education, or childcare; unlike aliens, they don’t bring all that racial, cultural, and religious baggage that you dislike; they allow you to feel good about yourself without any work at creating or maintaining relationships; and when they are born, you can forget about them, because they cease to be unborn. You can love the unborn and advocate for them without substantially challenging your own wealth, power, or privilege, without re-imagining social structures, apologizing, or making reparations to anyone. They are, in short, the perfect people to love if you want to claim you love Jesus, but actually dislike people who breathe. Prisoners? Immigrants? The sick? The poor? Widows? Orphans? All the groups that are specifically mentioned in the Bible? They all get thrown under the bus for the unborn.

Pastor David Barnhart

But the main point you’re missing is that in the eye of the law, a fetus is not a person. If it were, give them a social security number, let them get insurance, count them as a dependent. And when life begins/when a fetus becomes a person is a personally held belief that differs between people and religions. Catholicism says it’s at conception, Judaism says it’s at the first breath. And nobody is right or wrong because such a belief is so deeply rooted in spirituality that the government has no business deciding what is “true.”

And people aren’t getting abortions out of “convenience.” Often it is a matter or life or death because pregnancy literally puts a mothers life at risk. High blood pressure, blood clots, and homicide kill pregnant people all the time.

As far as your last comment goes, a fetus has no capacity to feel pain until 24 weeks, let alone have sentience to understand life or death or anything like that.

You should look up the case of McFall v Shimp. Even if a fetus is a person from the moment of conception, no person is entitled to the use of someone else’s body to maintain their own life. Based on your last line, the court should have ordered Shimp to go through with the bone marrow donation to save McFall.

Edit: not to mention that while a bone marrow donation is an uncomfortable procedure, it is not even close to the permanent physical trauma caused by pregnancy.

Exactly, the answer of when they become a human being isn't precise. It's not like at 12 weeks gestation they are suddenly a human. All these discussions around it just distract from the real issue of bodily autonomy. What a person decides to do with their body is between themselves, whatever god they do or don't believe in, and their medical provider. The government has no business in the doctor's office.

It’s a red herring. There’s no “scientific” answer for when life starts, it’s all people’s personal or religious beliefs.

2/3, no foss mountain!

You’ll be okay, as long as it’s not actively snowing. It’s plowed pretty well. I used to drive across it every other day in the winter in my shitty little hyundai accent. Only ever had trouble when I got caught in a snowstorm but even then I got across fine.

Bear Notch road that connects Bartlett to the Kanc closes during the winter. There are a few roads that close in the winter, here’s the list.But the Kanc is always open and plowed.

Kanc is always open my friend

truck found out it couldn’t go through the notch and had a temper tantrum

I believe the surgeon abruptly retired in 2019. But his face was on plenty of billboards advertising the NE Heart Institute

I don’t think that is frankenstein trestle because it’s too close to mt willard, which has that cliff face in the background. frankenstein trestle is further south along 302, past the willey house site. i think it’s just an unnamed trestle between mt willard and mt willey that is only accessible via bushwhacking