mikeymumbelz

mikeymumbelz t1_j23j1tv wrote

So you're saying "revenge based" ethnic cleansings are acceptable? Because that's a pretty fucked position to take if you're being serious.

If you're saying it's acceptable to target Jews who have nothing to do with Israel over the things that Israel does or did, you're validating the argument about anti-zionism being rooted in antisemitism.

As to your point:

The original ethnic cleansings that occurred in Israel were two-fold.

The first was the Jordanians telling the Palestinians to get out and promising them they could return once the war had been won. The Palestinians left but the Jordanians (and the rest of the Arab forces) lost the war.

The second was the original conflict between the Arabs and Jews living in Mandatory Palestine.

When the British endorsed the establishment of a Jewish homeland in Mandatory Palestine and when the UN endorsed the partition plan to end the conflict, the Jews accepted and the Arabs rejected it.

You can't start a war, get pushed out by the conflict, then claim that you are the victim because you tried to kill off an entire ethnic group and lost.

That doesn't work.

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mikeymumbelz t1_j23e7hb wrote

The State of Israel is the RESULT of ethnic cleansing.

I hate to break this to you but the Arab/Muslim world purged their countries of their Jews after the Israelis won the independence war.

I'm asking you this genuinely. Where did you think the Jews were going to go after the Arab/Muslim world kicked them out?

The end result of that was obvious. They left Iraq, they left Lebanon, they left Syria, they left Egypt, they left Jordan, they left all of these countries with no citizenship anywhere else so they all collected in the State of Israel.

A state where they knew they'd be safe because they made up the population.

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mikeymumbelz t1_j237aqg wrote

You can't deny that decades of conflict targeting Israel doesn't impact mindsets.

They're a refugee state which is founded by people who escaped war and came to a country which was under perpetual conflict for much of its existence.

People from any walk of life will eventually grow into a more defensive-minded people when they're constantly having to be ready for the next conflict.

This isn't specific to Russians. This isn't specific to Germans. This isn't specific to anyone. It's just what bad life situations can do to a person.

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mikeymumbelz t1_j231dak wrote

Soviet citizens only really started making Aliyah back during the 1970s. Even then, it was extremely limited as the bulk didn't start going until 1991.

The fact of the matter is the bulk of soviet Jews came after the USSR fell. This was long after various wars and policies had already been in place.

>No offense to Russians, but they’re not exactly known for their appreciation of civil society and democratic values.

That's kind of a weird statement to make considering they didn't vote for their leadership. The USSR was a totalitarian super-state. You either went along with the party line or you got sent to the gulag.

People didn't vote Stalin or the others into power. They came to power through brute force and held that power through the same brute force.

Blaming Russians for the circumstances of the government they were born into is nonsense.

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mikeymumbelz t1_j22ymqw wrote

Israel is the product of conflict of the worst kind.

It's a state founded by refugees who saw and suffered some of the worst atrocities in humanity. It's a state which has been routinely threatened and attacked by its neighbors. It's a state which is constantly being told it has to validate its own existence and the defense of its own people while the rest of the world takes that for granted.

It's easy to brand the entire country as "a bunch of fascists" but the reality is Israel doesn't exist in a vacuum. The state was molded by the actions of the world as a whole.

Had Israel's neighbors had the mentality of Finland or Sweden, they would have turned out more like Finland or Sweden.

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mikeymumbelz t1_j1rvhyo wrote

Ukraine killed the vast majority of their actual soldiers.

Everyone currently fighting is (in majority) average Russians who have little to no combat experience and just want to survive to go back home.

Russia's biggest mistake (besides the invasion in general) was conscripting Russians who don't want to be there. It doesn't take a 5 Star general to know that's a bad strategy.

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mikeymumbelz t1_j16u8yn wrote

If they thought for a second the Russians were moving a nuke into Iran, the entire region would attack Tehran overnight. I don't even think a nuke would make it there. Someone would take out the transport in Europe before it left the ground.

Nobody wants Iran to have nukes. Not the Israelis. Not the Saudis. Not the Emiratis. No one. This would be the shit show to end all shit shows.

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mikeymumbelz t1_ixvubtg wrote

Genuine question.

Has there ever been evidence showing China used foreign infrastructure for espionage?

What I mean is the Chinese government has had their Huawei hardware banned from use, both public and private, because of the concern the government could use these systems to collect data on the countries that maintain them.

Has a third party ever examined Huawei systems and found hardware indicative of data collection or security circumventing? Or have they shown that data being transmitted through Huawei systems was being transferred elsewhere back to China in a way which indicated they were siphoning off data?

I'm not denying China would spy. They're a totalitarian state. They obviously do this towards their own people regularly. What I'm saying is as much as I've heard people worry about this issue, I never saw hard evidence it was being done.

Even the TikTok paranoia never really got explained to me. Outside of the fact the company was headed by an ex-head of China's intelligence agency, I never got how the data there was possibly being used against western interests.

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