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cloake t1_j9tvuh8 wrote
Reply to Reality is an openness that we can never fully grasp. We need closures as a means of intervening in the world. | Post-postmodern philosopher and critic of realism Hilary Lawson explains closure theory. by IAI_Admin
I agree with the unrealist postmodern, clearly we are making best approximations of narrative realities. However I disagree with unrealisim anyway, we're just spoiled and distorted by being the dominant predator. When the wolves overcome the bunny population, do we say anything fundamental has shifted? No, the circumstances have certainly done so, but still the same game table, still the same rules. I understand the unrealist is stating we can't possibly really get "there," but can we really state that. That's why I fight so hard against human intuition, most people have no interest in teasing out what is expedience or self soothing and what is truthful and repeatable.
cloake t1_j9l5ik8 wrote
Reply to comment by Killercod1 in Thought experiments claim to use our intuitive responses to generate philosophical insights. But these scenarios are deceptive. Moral intuitions depend heavily on context and the individual. by IAI_Admin
Right like the trolly problem is more about people not wanting to get their hands dirty rather than risking something to do some good in the world.
cloake t1_j9j03c4 wrote
Reply to comment by trele_morele in The harms of gentrification | The exclusion of poorer people from their own neighbourhoods is not just a social problem but a philosophical one by ADefiniteDescription
> conquest has served as a non-philosophical assertion.
It's not the most complicated philosophy but still one, through monopoly of force do we dictate who lives where.
cloake t1_j9fyjse wrote
Reply to comment by Confident-Broccoli-5 in Compatibilism is supported by deep intuitions about responsibility and control. It can also feel "obviously" wrong and absurd. Slavoj Žižek's commentary can help us navigate the intuitive standoff. by matthewharlow
Well okay, can anyone argue a sound incompatibalist viewpoint? That's as best as I can explain my perspective.
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Reply to comment by BlueSkyAndGoldenLite in Compatibilism is supported by deep intuitions about responsibility and control. It can also feel "obviously" wrong and absurd. Slavoj Žižek's commentary can help us navigate the intuitive standoff. by matthewharlow
> The basis for society's legal system is founded on the idea that we need to hold people accountable for their actions,
Could contest that, that's merely an enlightenment rationalization. Mainly carceral treatment and punishment is meant to suppress destabilizing elements first and foremost.
cloake t1_j9dz4zb wrote
Reply to comment by Confident-Broccoli-5 in Compatibilism is supported by deep intuitions about responsibility and control. It can also feel "obviously" wrong and absurd. Slavoj Žižek's commentary can help us navigate the intuitive standoff. by matthewharlow
Sure it is, by having to make an extra term, implies it needed to be clarified.
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Reply to comment by ambisinister_gecko in Compatibilism is supported by deep intuitions about responsibility and control. It can also feel "obviously" wrong and absurd. Slavoj Žižek's commentary can help us navigate the intuitive standoff. by matthewharlow
It's fairly trivial to contradict libertarian free will. If you can prove to me you don't need to breathe and don't need to crap, I'll entertain a will bound by no limitation.
cloake t1_j994hs0 wrote
Reply to comment by Confident-Broccoli-5 in Compatibilism is supported by deep intuitions about responsibility and control. It can also feel "obviously" wrong and absurd. Slavoj Žižek's commentary can help us navigate the intuitive standoff. by matthewharlow
> This seems quite an extraordinary claim, compatibilism has been around for centuries, it pre-dates back to the stoics, it's not some sporadic desperate invention by philosophers in reaction to scientific consensus regarding determinism.
Compatibilism is implying there exists a determinism without decision making capacity. Which never existed. It was an inadequate conceptualization that deserves no further time. We've always dealt with humans having colloquial "free will" and still continue to.
cloake t1_j97uz41 wrote
Reply to Compatibilism is supported by deep intuitions about responsibility and control. It can also feel "obviously" wrong and absurd. Slavoj Žižek's commentary can help us navigate the intuitive standoff. by matthewharlow
I still think compatibilism is redundant. Determinism is already compatibilism. It's just biased minds that can't accept biologically predetermined minds have a decision making apparatus, and it's all been accounted for, already, for several billion years. It's once again, philosophers, unable to easily let go the ego and linguistic sphere of their thought process.
cloake t1_j9yr90d wrote
Reply to comment by YouDownWithTPP in Reality is an openness that we can never fully grasp. We need closures as a means of intervening in the world. | Post-postmodern philosopher and critic of realism Hilary Lawson explains closure theory. by IAI_Admin
Sorry for the delay, it's way harder for me to articulate in a digestible way my instinctual reaction. Yea I suppose I'm sounding incoherent with that initial aside. It was mainly because I looked into more unrealism after this video and was like okay, this greater body of reference is not how I would view things. However his framing and argument in the piece I do agree with a lot of. I too appreciate how we're targeting a modelling of the world with our "closure." I too agree with something approximate to this subject-object relationship.
It's hard to articulate my feelings of my contradiction, the easiest layer is that nobody 100% shares the same perspective. But deeper, and why I think the "never attaining true conceptualizing of reality" aspect isn't the right approach, is that ultimately he's appealing to perfection as an enemy of good. There is like an undercurrent of shared reality that in a sense objectifies the emergent properties that human spends their limited attention on and not only that, the way we are molding our attention patterns are also undercurrent of some objective properties. And I think it's also I personally recognize I'm a hard ass about so called closure perspective, because in my field closure gets result.