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SteelMarch t1_j8w9lp8 wrote
Reply to comment by looktowindward in TIL the 'Negro Motorist Green Book' was based on an earlier 'Jewish Vacation Guide' book which outlined places that Jews were not unwelcome to stay in America in 1917. by aripy
Yes but not by that much the 1920s. And not at the scale which Levittowns enabled. Though it can easily be argued if it wasn't Levitt who did it anyone else could have. What I specifically point to is his removal of the Jewish from the list with his keeping of people of color. Which is unsurprising for the time. Or the passing of the NHA. To blame Levitt for everything would be wrong. What I specifically state is he set the standard and he removed Jewish people from it. But that does not mean it didn't apply everywhere nor that everyone copied exactly what he did one to one. But, when he had a choice, and actively ignored the FHA. He still excluded people of color. As I said. Moving the needle.
Sorry if I sound rude. It's just on this site. Whenever anything about African American's are posted it's done in a way to somehow suggest that the Jewish American basically helped them out of poverty even though at every step in things such as the civil rights movement (which they did not do.), they stepped on them to get out of the way. I hope I don't come off as Anti-Semitic which is not my goal, but rather to point out statements that are false and untrue. Though I do question how these statements were propagated. Especially given that often the sources linked flat out say, it is not true.
Anyways, Redlining has a complicated history, I am not blaming William Levitt or Jewish American's for it all. Just one for moving the needle and trying to stop the spread of misinformation about things that are often posted here that are not true. But well -17 downvotes. Doesn't really look like I've convinced anyone. But, oh well. It's still worth trying.
https://www.nytimes.com/1997/12/28/nyregion/at-50-levittown-contends-with-its-legacy-of-bias.html
But yes I see your point.
>As late as the mid-1960's, Mr. Levitt was still defending segregated housing, at that time in Maryland. And blacks were not the only targets. Although he was the grandson of a rabbi, Mr. Levitt also built housing on Long Island that excluded Jews.
Though this wasn't always the case or the standard. But more over it seems to be an isolated case, if it happened at all. In a way to somehow suggest Levitt wasn't a racist but just doing "business". But his other actions, would seem to suggest otherwise.
SteelMarch t1_j8p24k8 wrote
Reply to TIL the 'Negro Motorist Green Book' was based on an earlier 'Jewish Vacation Guide' book which outlined places that Jews were not unwelcome to stay in America in 1917. by aripy
The irony here is that then the basis for a lot of the racial covenants such as the original Levitt towns was made by a Jewish American. Then went on to not include them but rather just African Americans and People of Color instead. Talk about moving the needle.
SteelMarch t1_j79gl5p wrote
Reply to comment by opiate_lifer in TIL the number of people who identify as Native American on the US Census increased by 86% from 2010 to 2020. by substantial-freud
Yeah it does.
SteelMarch t1_j77ywqb wrote
Reply to comment by Dr_DMT in TIL the number of people who identify as Native American on the US Census increased by 86% from 2010 to 2020. by substantial-freud
Realistically it should be a lot lower threshold. Even at 10% that's enough with enough mixing in the community to restore a group over several generations.
SteelMarch t1_j76c079 wrote
Reply to TIL that when Jack Grimm tried to find the Titanic in 1980, he planned to take a monkey called Titan that was trained to point to the wreck on a map. The monkey was left behind when scientists objected. Grimm never found the wreck, despite his sonar traveling right over it. by Bortron86
Ah man this TIL makes it sound like the monkey actually would have done something. Heh. Pretty funny but the sad part is when you realize a lot of TILs do exactly this.
SteelMarch t1_j633jfe wrote
Reply to comment by -cocoadragon in Japan setting up rapid-response unit to counter disinformation by Wagamaga
I'm working on a piece where this is a thing. Tokyo Rose isn't a foreign concept to many who know of Japan's history with propaganda. Seeing as though many things in Japan are slowly going to back to their pre-WW2 elements it's surprisingly fitting for them to create a ministry of truth just as they've back the Zaibatsu in their rise to create the Keiretsu Crony structure that exists today.
SteelMarch t1_j4zxtyo wrote
Reply to comment by Individual-Jaguar885 in TIL : In World War II, the youngest serviceman in the US military was Calvin Graham — age 12. Graham lied about his age when he enlisted in the US Navy. His real age was not discovered after he was wounded. by PyrowithJared
Just bots farming for karma. Honestly we need a site wide ordinance to ban comments likes this but it's how the site operates soo....
SteelMarch t1_j29g993 wrote
SteelMarch t1_iv9sfjf wrote
Reply to comment by Jason_Batemans_Hair in Why conflict parties cease fighting. Research shows that parties to a conflict are more likely to agree to a ceasefire in periods where the conflict is particularly bloody and when an above-average number of civilians have been accidentally killed by rebel attacks. by Wagamaga
Also note that when it happens it doesn't result in peace but a much worse follow up war that last decades. Not to mention multi-generational hate and genocide.
SteelMarch t1_iu07p8m wrote
Reply to comment by pinsorthepeople in I Took an Amazon Warehouse Job to Cure My Burnout by Mynameis__--__
Sometimes the satire writes itself. I recall target sending it's "corporate" employees to underprivileged stores and they just started shitting on the minorities they were hiring it was something else.
SteelMarch t1_j8xr07v wrote
Reply to comment by looktowindward in TIL the 'Negro Motorist Green Book' was based on an earlier 'Jewish Vacation Guide' book which outlined places that Jews were not unwelcome to stay in America in 1917. by aripy
Well I guess there's no way to win with someone who will go to any lengths to take anything said out of context.
Levitt set the standard. When given the choice he allowed his own people in and actively discriminated against people of color. What else I am saying is that people on this site like to claim white saviorism fromt he Jewish American population that never happened. You can read even the times of Israel which is a biased source that states. This did not happen. I'm not going to waste my time on someone who's going to call me an anti semite for calling out this sort of misinformation and behavior. The harsh reality is that Jewish Americans were just as racist as other Americans. This isn't a collective blame what I wrote is what historians have wrote about the issues and topics at hand. To them black Americans were just another scapegoat. Someone else to blame that isn't them. Keeping their heads low. It's not a pretty thing to admit or say. But it's allegedly what happened. I can't say I blame them or anything but that they should not be trying to represent them as the saviors of African Americans which they are not. Though I wouldn't call it a conspiracy, just misinformation. And anyone could have spread it but coincidentally it's always spread using Albert Einstein to suggest it. But that's also, just a coincidence. I guess more appropriate to call it a myth.