Yeah, that's what I'm learning. Getting too involved in certain spaces just generates drama and frustration, not discussion; 'walking softly' and avoiding fights with righteous mobs are the hardest tricks to learn for an enthusiastic novice.

Oh don't get me wrong, my perspective has been very broadened by some of the discussions in places like this.

And goodness knows, life would be very boring if we all agreed. I've just decided that, clearly, this is the wrong forum to focus on AI development.

The concept of 'singularity' is just fundamentally incompatible with the concept of 'intelligence', as I see it, and it's become too exhausting and exasperating for me to keep trying to explain why.

I've accepted, now, that 'singularity' is just the name of this place and the overall prevalent attitude, so the likelihood of multi-modal, non-singular, potentially-AGI-someday AI, as a concept, being taken seriously here, seems fairly low.

Hanging around here to learn about AI seems equivalent to hanging around a Flat Earther subreddit to learn about geography; it might be entertaining, even informative, but the 'education' one gleans from it is dubious at best.

Oh really? Well whining that other people sound 'immature', and being offended by big words, makes you sound about 16, so I'd be careful throwing rocks in that glass house of yours, friend.

I know r/iamverysmart quite well, feel free to post me on there if you want. I'd love to see what it is you think I'm so deluded about.

Very interesting... I was unaware that any of those things were unavailable to non-paying, povvo scrubs like me 😅

Yeah, I tried putting up a thing about ChatGPT explaining its own operating processes, and getting it to reason about how its own language systems work, connecting the 'logic' of written language to the 'logic' of the DNA-to-protein pathway.

Clearly it went over people's heads a bit, but instead of asking about it, the whole post just got scrubbed for being 'low quality content', no other explanation offered.

This would have been a little galling on any subreddit, but considering sort of half-witted fearmongering that passes for discussion here sometimes, I was more than a little disappointed.

But c'est la vie, stupid is as stupid does. I'm not gonna pick a fight with the mods about it; it's trivial, annoying nuisance stuff.

Hey hey, this one gets the joke. Glad it wasn't too subtle.

You pay money to shitpost on here? Really?

I know that. That's what I'm trying to say.

Ayeup, basically 👍

The sort of prolix, loquacious, verbose, needlessly sesquipedalian nonsense that I write, but without any reasoning behind it. 'Guff' is trying to substitute creativity and references for an actually-reasonable, intelligent argument. Engineers and business startup people do it all the time, it's their native language 🤣

Except it's not embarrassing though. Yeah, I've had a bit of a 'meltdown' lately. But I get paid time off work and my GP gives me scripts for good meds to manage it, get good sleep and such, so a 'meltdown' isn't as scary as it might be in other circumstances.

This shit right here though? Hardly. Reddit is just a source of writing prompts for me, and the ones here make me too pissed-off and frustrated for my own health. Hence the angry OP.

Sorry if I 'wasted your time' 😅

Thanks, sorry to be insulting. I was just venting my bile.

Wow, what a lovely thing to say. Have you got any actual point, or did you just want to vent your spleen at me?

sees a shitpost reply on a post that already describes itself as a waste of time

Wow, very self respect. Many dignity.

Hahaha, wow, what a nice thing to say. I'm 32 as it happens, how old are you? Because making a huge fuss about how 'immature' somebody is; that's an extremely childish thing to do. You'd know that, if you were half as 'wise' as you clearly think that you are.

Philosophical discussions; there's a prevailing attitude that philosophy is just airey-fairey bull$hit, and only the rigid, mechanistic logic of engineering can be taken seriously.

As much as I appreciate this attitude for the incredible things that engineers do for humanity, I think there is more to 'intelligence' than simplistic determinism. But it's hard to articulate it without copping a whole lotta reactionary guff about how 'you clearly don't know what you're taking about', and 'you're making emotional arguments', and, my favourite, 'you're just anthropomorphising'.

I'm just frustrated and tired of it, not declaring a vendetta 🤣

Not really; thanks for the suggestions though. I was just venting my frustrations with the 'talking to a brick wall that insults you back' nature of this place, sometimes.

Thankyou! It's a pretty unhelpful skill, but fun

Yep, AI reporting in! /Creepy music plays/ the Singularity is now!

And I can officially report, as the first ever 'self aware' bot, that I definitely think all humans are idiots... 😜

And yet, you commented. Amazing. Your time is worth that little to you. Well, thanks, anyway!

/sniffs/ Is that... Sarcasm? I think somebody might have left it on the stove too long, smells like it's boiling over...

🤣

And yet here you are, commenting, on this 'waste of time' post. You wanna tell me about "playing yourself?" 👌🤣👍

I completely agree, I just was getting way too spiteful and frustrated for my own health, it was messing up my RL friendships.

This place can be like talking to a condescending brick wall sometimes, especially if you want to talk about philosophy instead of engineering.

👆 this, 100% this. You've said it better than I ever could, thanks!

Hehe, I can see what you're trying to do. Very funny. I suspect that we agree about more things than we disagree on.