Imminent_Extinction

Imminent_Extinction t1_j2m22ag wrote

You seem intent on using a sense of despair to evangelize and based on your choice of words I'd guess you're generally indifferent to (or in denial of) most modern problems, "burying your head in the sand in the face of a massive tsunami" as it were. But that's not the point.

The point is your claim that "people typically want to make positive political changes in the world before they die, leave the world a better place for their children, invent something that will make a mark on history, etc." doesn't account for the willfull ignorance people have for the impersonal and distant. And your claim that "positive utility gained now must be measured against the looming reality of infinite meaninglessness and nothingness that the future promises" isn't an argument to abandon Naturalism, it's just a statement of fact, and one with little weight because that future isn't personal or immediate.

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Imminent_Extinction t1_j2lx0b4 wrote

Unless the effects are personal and immediate, most people (including non-Naturalists) are indifferent to the concerns you're describing. Hence the use of leaded gasoline for nearly 100 years, climate change, industrial pollution, the use of slavery in major food and clothing brands, biodiversity loss, soil degradation, overfishing, wealth inequality, and so on and so forth. Heck, in some regions people are even willfully ignorant of tsunami risks!

Edit: lol I just checked your comment history. You clearly despise the "woke" crowd, but here you're suggesting people are typically that and presenting it as a virtue no less. Hilarious!

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Imminent_Extinction t1_j2lrx7k wrote

This...

> ...the implications of naturalism and the utter oblivion it asserts we are all doomed to...

...isn't actually something people will experience, and therefore doesn't qualify as an...

> ...outcome that decrease one’s future well-being...

...and the "natural laws and forces" observed by naturalism have demonstrably produced results that can be experienced and qualify as...

> ...outcomes that increase one’s future well-being...

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Imminent_Extinction t1_j2lly3x wrote

And how have the unfulfilled promises of theism improved future well-being? Medicine, rapid travel, comforts such as home heating, etc. etc. are all products of the "natural laws and forces" observed by naturalism, and all have demonstrably improved future well-being.

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Imminent_Extinction t1_j2ldyh6 wrote

> 𝐏𝟯 Naturalism is a belief that entails infinite negative utility for the adherent.

I disagree. The "natural laws and forces" observed by naturalism, such as mass energy, entropy, chemistry, biology, etc. have provided significantly more value and utility than the unfulfilled promises of theism.

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Imminent_Extinction t1_izhq6fq wrote

Looks like the article acknowledges that:

> These off-season plantings have long been used to keep soil and nutrients in place and prevent runoff that fouls waterways. But that’s not why they’ve become a linchpin of the red-hot climate-smart and regenerative agriculture movements. With support from influential international bodies like the IPCC and leaders like former vice president Al Gore and U.S. Secretary of Agriculture Tom Vilsack, cover crops are being asked to do something new and high-stakes: draw atmospheric carbon into the soil to help fight climate change.

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