CaliBigWill

CaliBigWill t1_jdruxom wrote

Okay...and? Where are you going with this? Horses were on the North American continent and then went extinct.( this is debated).They were brought by the Spanish in the early 1500's. Probably before is debated as well. Either way what are you trying to say?

Now, new research out of the University of California Santa Cruz’s prestigious Paleogenomics Lab sheds new light on the argument by tying the DNA of the modern-day horse to its ancient ancestry on the North American continent.

https://americanwildhorsecampaign.org/media/scientific-research-alert-research-cements-native-ancestry-americas-wild-horses

https://awionline.org/content/wild-horses-native-north-american-wildlife

https://ictnews.org/news/yes-world-there-were-horses-in-native-culture-before-the-settlers-came

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CaliBigWill t1_jdivxug wrote

Herds of wild free animals rounded up and decimated. The methods are questionable. Helicopters driving the herd into pens. Foals cant keep up, trampled,separated. Others panic and are injured. Once they're penned the rest is just as bad.

Cows are bred and raised to be food. They usually arent roaming free and suddenly they're food.

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CaliBigWill t1_jdi6ng1 wrote

Scientists are questioning whether wild horses populations in the Americas went extinct and some Native Americans will tell you they didnt. Native Americans did not buy and breed.

https://www.yesmagazine.org/environment/2020/04/27/native-horses-indigenous-history

There was no mass release of horses at the end of the Civil War. Horses died by the millions in that war and at the end they needed to obtain more horses.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Army_Remount_Service

The US Cavalry still existed (and does exist) and still had to function (American Indian Wars)

The mustang is a free-roaming horse of the Western United States, descended from horses brought to the Americas by the Spanish.

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CaliBigWill t1_jdhsys4 wrote

You're trying to tell.me there were no wild horses in the US from 1500-1865?

You're dismissing 300years of history?

Early explorers and settlers chronicled the presence of horses throughout North America. In 1521, herds were seen grazing the lands that would become Georgia and the Carolinas. Sixty years later, Sir Francis Drake found herds of horses living among Native people in coastal areas of California and Oregon. In 1598, Don Juan de Oñate described New Mexico as being “full of wild mares.

And those weren't European horses..

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CaliBigWill t1_jdg19h4 wrote

Livestock” means livestock as defined in sec. 602 of the Emergency Livestock Feed Assistance Act of 1988 [7 U.S.C. 1471], as amended, insects, and all other living animals cultivated, grown, or raised for commercial purposes, including aquatic animals.

They were not grown or raised and US Law specifically bans them from being sold for commercial meat. Not Livestock

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CaliBigWill t1_jdfti6i wrote

Brought by Columbus in the 1490's. Close to 800. There were other explorers here before him. That's a different argument. Cortes was here in the 1500's. 700 some odd years ago.

I'm not saying they shouldn't be eaten Meat is meat.. I'm saying these type of round ups are wrong and the treatment of the horses after they're gathered is wrong. And honestly to me its disgraceful that we have to send them to another country to be slaughtered. Our own government doesn't condone eating them but if there's a profit by damn let's do it!

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CaliBigWill t1_jdfq2ht wrote

So actually or not - Not Livestock.

The only way these horses cost Taxpayers any money is when the BLM gets involved. They're the ones spending the money to do these roundups, maintain holding facilities, and the large costs of the adoption program (which takes up nearly a third of the annual BLM wild horse budget of $11.6 million), 

Wild horses used to range in the millions. They're down to about 50,000. Is that not thinned enough? BLM arguments in favor of these gathers are kind of weak ranging from maintaining health to protecting them from overgrazing.
So they waste millions, not spend.

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