CaliBigWill
CaliBigWill t1_jdruxom wrote
Reply to comment by snow_michael in TIL the US federal government captures and sells excess wild horses to the public by MoistCoyote
Okay...and? Where are you going with this? Horses were on the North American continent and then went extinct.( this is debated).They were brought by the Spanish in the early 1500's. Probably before is debated as well. Either way what are you trying to say?
Now, new research out of the University of California Santa Cruz’s prestigious Paleogenomics Lab sheds new light on the argument by tying the DNA of the modern-day horse to its ancient ancestry on the North American continent.
https://awionline.org/content/wild-horses-native-north-american-wildlife
https://ictnews.org/news/yes-world-there-were-horses-in-native-culture-before-the-settlers-came
CaliBigWill t1_jdji0q8 wrote
Reply to comment by snow_michael in TIL the US federal government captures and sells excess wild horses to the public by MoistCoyote
Sir Francis Drake observed and noted in his ships log that there were a plethora of wild horses living among the indigenous peoples in Northern California and Southwestern Oregon
https://www.yesmagazine.org/environment/2020/04/27/native-horses-indigenous-history
CaliBigWill t1_jdjhvh1 wrote
Reply to comment by snow_michael in TIL the US federal government captures and sells excess wild horses to the public by MoistCoyote
https://www.yesmagazine.org/environment/2020/04/27/native-horses-indigenous-history
Sir Francis Drake observed and noted in his ships log that there were a plethora of wild horses living among the indigenous peoples in Northern California and Southwestern Oregon
CaliBigWill t1_jdivxug wrote
Reply to comment by PatrickMorris in TIL the US federal government captures and sells excess wild horses to the public by MoistCoyote
Herds of wild free animals rounded up and decimated. The methods are questionable. Helicopters driving the herd into pens. Foals cant keep up, trampled,separated. Others panic and are injured. Once they're penned the rest is just as bad.
Cows are bred and raised to be food. They usually arent roaming free and suddenly they're food.
CaliBigWill t1_jdi6ng1 wrote
Reply to comment by Pinglaggette in TIL the US federal government captures and sells excess wild horses to the public by MoistCoyote
Scientists are questioning whether wild horses populations in the Americas went extinct and some Native Americans will tell you they didnt. Native Americans did not buy and breed.
https://www.yesmagazine.org/environment/2020/04/27/native-horses-indigenous-history
There was no mass release of horses at the end of the Civil War. Horses died by the millions in that war and at the end they needed to obtain more horses.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Army_Remount_Service
The US Cavalry still existed (and does exist) and still had to function (American Indian Wars)
The mustang is a free-roaming horse of the Western United States, descended from horses brought to the Americas by the Spanish.
CaliBigWill t1_jdhsys4 wrote
Reply to comment by Pinglaggette in TIL the US federal government captures and sells excess wild horses to the public by MoistCoyote
You're trying to tell.me there were no wild horses in the US from 1500-1865?
You're dismissing 300years of history?
Early explorers and settlers chronicled the presence of horses throughout North America. In 1521, herds were seen grazing the lands that would become Georgia and the Carolinas. Sixty years later, Sir Francis Drake found herds of horses living among Native people in coastal areas of California and Oregon. In 1598, Don Juan de Oñate described New Mexico as being “full of wild mares.
And those weren't European horses..
CaliBigWill t1_jdg1xh7 wrote
Reply to comment by NorthSideSoxFan in TIL the US federal government captures and sells excess wild horses to the public by MoistCoyote
There is a big difference between Asian carp and wild horses. The destruction they actually do far outweighs overgrazing. That argument isnt very good anyway.
CaliBigWill t1_jdg1gsa wrote
Reply to comment by CptJaxxParrow in TIL the US federal government captures and sells excess wild horses to the public by MoistCoyote
That's not the argument. Are wild hogs livestock? Not were they.
CaliBigWill t1_jdg19h4 wrote
Reply to comment by Amadacius in TIL the US federal government captures and sells excess wild horses to the public by MoistCoyote
Livestock” means livestock as defined in sec. 602 of the Emergency Livestock Feed Assistance Act of 1988 [7 U.S.C. 1471], as amended, insects, and all other living animals cultivated, grown, or raised for commercial purposes, including aquatic animals.
They were not grown or raised and US Law specifically bans them from being sold for commercial meat. Not Livestock
CaliBigWill t1_jdfxyy3 wrote
Reply to comment by BarnabyWoods in TIL the US federal government captures and sells excess wild horses to the public by MoistCoyote
I'm not the one who made the numbers nor the only one posting it..
As for the rest of your paragraph. Thank you for your contribution.
CaliBigWill t1_jdfu23s wrote
Reply to comment by NorthSideSoxFan in TIL the US federal government captures and sells excess wild horses to the public by MoistCoyote
Math is off a bit 5-600 years. Brain isn't working.
CaliBigWill t1_jdftv84 wrote
Reply to comment by Lvl99Dogspotter in TIL the US federal government captures and sells excess wild horses to the public by MoistCoyote
Ok. Math, - . Columbus brought horses. 1490... 600 years, yes. Cortes brought horses. 1500's. So about 500year. . Brains not on full
CaliBigWill t1_jdfti6i wrote
Reply to comment by NorthSideSoxFan in TIL the US federal government captures and sells excess wild horses to the public by MoistCoyote
Brought by Columbus in the 1490's. Close to 800. There were other explorers here before him. That's a different argument. Cortes was here in the 1500's. 700 some odd years ago.
I'm not saying they shouldn't be eaten Meat is meat.. I'm saying these type of round ups are wrong and the treatment of the horses after they're gathered is wrong. And honestly to me its disgraceful that we have to send them to another country to be slaughtered. Our own government doesn't condone eating them but if there's a profit by damn let's do it!
CaliBigWill t1_jdfqfes wrote
Reply to comment by NorthSideSoxFan in TIL the US federal government captures and sells excess wild horses to the public by MoistCoyote
After about 600years running In the wild I'd like to disagree.
Are wild hogs livestock?
Edited for math- not 800
CaliBigWill t1_jdfq2ht wrote
Reply to comment by BarnabyWoods in TIL the US federal government captures and sells excess wild horses to the public by MoistCoyote
So actually or not - Not Livestock.
The only way these horses cost Taxpayers any money is when the BLM gets involved. They're the ones spending the money to do these roundups, maintain holding facilities, and the large costs of the adoption program (which takes up nearly a third of the annual BLM wild horse budget of $11.6 million),
Wild horses used to range in the millions. They're down to about 50,000. Is that not thinned enough?
BLM arguments in favor of these gathers are kind of weak ranging from maintaining health to protecting them from overgrazing.
So they waste millions, not spend.
CaliBigWill t1_jdfizi0 wrote
Reply to comment by NorthSideSoxFan in TIL the US federal government captures and sells excess wild horses to the public by MoistCoyote
They weren't. They were free roaming wild animals. Rounded up. Penned and potentilnally abused. Then bought en masse and sold for meat.
Whole herds that were free. Not livestock. There is a difference.
CaliBigWill t1_jdf7i4x wrote
Reply to comment by BJ_Blitzvix in TIL the US federal government captures and sells excess wild horses to the public by MoistCoyote
Not usually. Due to US laws(USDA) horses are usually sent over the border to Mexico for slaughter.. Horses arent illegal to eat but they cannot be sold for commercial consumption here.
CaliBigWill t1_jde4ojp wrote
Reply to TIL the US federal government captures and sells excess wild horses to the public by MoistCoyote
But dont catch one yourself. That's a crime. You have to pay for your horsemeat.
Seriously sad that alot of these animal do end up as food
CaliBigWill t1_j728gx6 wrote
Reply to comment by Chard069 in Psychedelic churches in US pushing boundaries of religion by kangarooturd
Oh, you misunderstand. I meant it more like Are you for real? Because I smell bullshit.
CaliBigWill t1_j6yb8wo wrote
Religion pushes the boundaries of reality...
CaliBigWill t1_j6nhxer wrote
Thank Henry Anslinger. The first Commisioner of the Federal Bureau of Narcotics. He was strongly anti-drug and racist. In the 1930s he began a campaign that targeted Cannabis but also linked it to race and further demonized it as the cause for crime.. Look at Reefer Madness
CaliBigWill t1_j61b73a wrote
Putting their hands on boxes
CaliBigWill t1_j60ogbw wrote
Reply to Could I take the European plug end, cut it off the cord, and wire an American plug end to a light bulb on a wire? by Randomhero360
I'm sure you could. The wiring isnt different, just the connection.
CaliBigWill t1_jegsknx wrote
Reply to Adults who still drink milk are you ok, it’s very unsettling behaviour? by [deleted]
You still suck your Moms tit too?