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byteglide t1_j65exed wrote

It is entirely irrelevant what Russia says.

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Brockelton t1_j664kn6 wrote

Russian tv states that this is basically operation Barbarossa two

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krneki12 t1_j67zil4 wrote

And when they will finally lose they will say there were fighting the US and are still the 2nd best army in the world.

You should never underestimate the predictability of stupidity.

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Taronar t1_j69fa3d wrote

Yes but there are many people teetering o the edge of propaganda that statements like these can win over

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xtothewhy t1_j67lt0n wrote

Putin already called it a war. But he desperately wants to look like he and Russia are a victim and a victor

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krneki12 t1_j67zlpp wrote

She speaks for all of us, Russia will lose this war of unprovoked aggression on Ukraine.

And Russia has all it needs to make it stop today, get out of Ukraine.

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pataea t1_j68i8n4 wrote

Yes, but we should allow a benefit of the doubt for such statements. Remember: a) this was not a official statement, rather a part of a discussion b) english is not an official language of Germany c) in german we use "Krieg"(war) a lot more casually (at least from my experience)

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Istvaarr t1_j68iicj wrote

What?

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pataea t1_j68is4l wrote

And what exactly is your question?

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Istvaarr t1_j68jdfy wrote

We all speak English well enough in Germany, we do not use „war“ more casually and she said what she said, no need to pretend otherwise

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pataea t1_j68ke87 wrote

There is a huge difference if english is your first or second language. If it's the latter, you'll still have some features of your first language in it (not just accent, but also about the way you form sentences and the cultural background). Thats why you can usually say if someone is a native speaker or not.

And since i believe you are german, at least in my english/german bubble we use war more casually. But that is just my experience, not fact.

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marianass t1_j65cvby wrote

Her quote was "We are fighting a war against Russia, not against each other." I totally see how Russia misinterpreted it.

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gerundhome t1_j65clcg wrote

Russia misinterpretes everything to their advantage for propaganda. Nothing unexpected there.

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kyralfie t1_j68i3xr wrote

How else would you interpret the words of the Germany's minister for foreign affairs, I quote - "We are fighting a war against Russia"? She even said it in plain English.

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Agile-Candle-626 t1_j65wt3p wrote

To be fair the german’s never get the joke so not surprised they feel the need to explain themselves

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PhunkOperator t1_j664375 wrote

Or maybe it's not really funny when a dictatorship is waving around with their nukes.

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ErikTheAngry t1_j67560c wrote

Not even hypothetical that they're happy to go around murdering innocent people.

Every time they suffer a major defeat, they balm their wounded egos by launching cruise missiles into houses and hospitals.

I don't at all blame Germany for being sick of this shit. Nearly the entire whole world is sick of it.

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ProgressivelyIrate t1_j65o2bd wrote

“We’re in a war with Russia” doesn’t translate to “We’re in a war with Russia”! Gaslighting is fun.

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kyralfie t1_j68isd6 wrote

Yeah, that translation is a russian propaganda spin!!!111 It's totally missing the point!

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Lalumex t1_j68ta1o wrote

Tell me you are not a German without telling

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kyralfie t1_j68usni wrote

I am not a German.

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Lalumex t1_j68vf5c wrote

Correct so you cannot know that the word "war" an often occurrance in the structure of sentences is

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kyralfie t1_j68vlcx wrote

Lol, okay. She spoke english though.

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Lalumex t1_j68wv8k wrote

One often just translates phrases from the nativ tongue into English, espadrilles in "casual" discussions

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kyralfie t1_j68x9hd wrote

Okay, gotcha, she casually accidentally declared a war on Russia. Is she fit for the position of the minister for foreign affairs then? What do you think she meant that she supposedly literally translated from german?

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Lalumex t1_j68xzma wrote

I think she meant that there is a metaphorical war of economics, sanctions, and weapon deliveries. Now could she have formulated it better? Absolutely. Is her English only decent and sometimes full of errors? Yes. Was this an official statement in a press conference? No

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kyralfie t1_j68y62s wrote

Thank you for a civil conversation about politics on reddit.

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Speculawyer t1_j67eh7m wrote

Germany is helping the sovereign nation of Ukraine defend itself.

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Zwelgje75 t1_j67e8w9 wrote

she should have said 'fighting a special military operation' against russia.

that is the proper Kremlin approved way of saying it. not using the word 'war'

fully understand the Russians for being so angry about it

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FARTur95 t1_j6988m4 wrote

Shut up Mr. Putin

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Zwelgje75 t1_j6bz597 wrote

sarcasm my friend, sarcasm.

you do know what that's means right?

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VaccineEnjoyer t1_j66um88 wrote

German diplomat: "We are fighting a war with Russia"

Reddit/MSM: Nooo that's heccin Russian misinformationerino!

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Divinate_ME t1_j68mt67 wrote

Deliberate misinterpretation? Should I pull up the verbatim quote again?

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Annonimbus t1_j67ydke wrote

Phew, and here I thought the anti Germany faction had nothing to rile themselves up with anymore, after Germany committed the tanks.

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thederpofwar321 t1_j67mafw wrote

For the record she literally said they're at war with russia. Like no mistranslation or misinterpretation. She really fucked up her word choice. This is not Russian mis-information, this is russia finding a slip THATS REAL and running with it. There's a big difference.

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Amazing_Examination6 t1_j67rfrk wrote

Ok, but where is the „premeditated“?

> Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova, in a post on her Telegram messaging channel cited by state TASS news agency on Wednesday, had portrayed Baerbock's comment as proving that the West was waging a "premeditated war against Russia."

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thederpofwar321 t1_j69i7qb wrote

With the Intel we had and have itd be hard to argue we dont premeditate everything. How long have we been warning ukraine before the war happened? Either way she just fucked up and gave putin the w he needed. One of em anyways.

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mrgni t1_j668jvc wrote

What war ? warring party in a special military operation?

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nyaaaa t1_j66vo2l wrote

Energy war for instance, russia stopping delivery, breaking contracts worth tens to hundreds of billions.

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tomekza t1_j66qa6x wrote

Call a spade a spade She's the smartest one in the room.

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JojenCopyPaste t1_j66vnl9 wrote

Don't worry Russia. If Germany were a warring party you would know it and within a few days your forces would no longer survive within Ukraine's borders.

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Bronskungen t1_j67va8k wrote

Yeah to be honest I understand why Reddit is split on this issue.

The German foreign minister literally said "We are fighting a war against Russia, not among each other." She might have meant it in an ideological sense, rhetorical inclusive we or it might be rhetoric she uses among her colleagues but it is as stupid as statements go if you literally don't want it to sound like you are at war.

Russia on the other hand very oftenly deliberately misinterpret statements which always subtracts from their general credibility. And it feels like huge amount of hypocrisy that they accuse Germany of being at war, but still go with the "we're not at war, this is special operation"-bullshit, like what war could Germany possibly have joined then?

So all in all, everyone knows Germany is carefully treading the line to avoid war and that the official line could never be that they are at war. On the other hand you know your minister messed up bad if the "correct interpretation" is the exact opposite of what she said, so it would be reasonable to just retract/apologize for an individual statement, since it was an embarrassing one. We all mock Russians that mistakenly admit they are at war, and the other side of the coin is that our politicians can't afford to put their foot in their mouth either. The only job for a politician is to say what you mean, not what you think. You don't represent yourself.

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Morfildur t1_j68e0rp wrote

Baerbock, for all her good deeds and intentions, is sadly very bad at phrasing her opinions. Even during her elections, it was easy for her opponents to use what she said against her. It's part of what lost her the election advantage.

She needs some PR training with people versed in political speech and diplomacy. It's clear that she didn't mean "we're in an armed conflict", but it's just too easy to turn her words into whatever others want it to mean.

On the other hand, it's refreshing to have someone in politics who speaks her mind without being an extremist nutjob.

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Cubusphere t1_j68t3en wrote

Russia didn't even declare war on Ukraine, so what are they gonna do but pretend diplomacy and send their hackers to attack Germany.

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Charming_Cry3472 t1_j69tzub wrote

Who the f cares what Russia says/thinks. Let’s stop coddling those bitches

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BTCRando t1_j6b6ou5 wrote

Yeah and what is Russia going to do about it. F em

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Taman_Should t1_j67epym wrote

It's nothing but cowardice at this point to give a shit about how Russia spins what you say. Why would you continue to cede them ground as if they have reasonable demands with any basis in reality? They don't.

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ViolettaHunter t1_j684r0d wrote

They have nuclear war heads they could at any time point at any city in Europe. That's why.

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Taman_Should t1_j6aec99 wrote

Bullshit. So does NATO. It's called mutually assured destruction. Russia is not in a strong position here, and it's weakness to worry about how they will warp or misrepresent what you say. They're going to do that no matter what. Russia having nukes is NOT a good reason to give a shit about Russia's own propaganda narratives, sorry. That's really kind of stupid.

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hagita6022 t1_j66hudo wrote

Germans still trying not to piss off Russia too hard. So they can jump right back on the cheap russian resources carousel the second the Peace is signed.

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Zwelgje75 t1_j67exv6 wrote

bingo! yahtzee! ding ding ding. and the winner is... :)

it's all for the money,

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Fukputinroughly t1_j66oc75 wrote

Can Germany just go a day without groveling to Russia for some imagined slight? Just own it.

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