ntbananas t1_j6jt0rm wrote
Reply to comment by needypondy in U.S. Secretary of State in Jerusalem: Urgent steps needed for calm, Calls for Two-State Solution by TheFrederalGovt
Yep. Unfortunately it seems like a demographic issue as well. Current Israeli adults have predominantly lost trust in Palestinian leadership due to the intifadas plus the growing share of Haredim as a % of population. Will require some buffer time until (hopefully) the voter base has replenished with people who have not experienced intifadas. Similarly, Palestinian youth are increasingly affiliating themselves with Islamist groups (Hamas, PIJ, etc.) rather than secular groups. While I have plenty of criticism for the PLO/PA, at the very least they are ideologically able to make compromises and less tied up in religious absolutism.
grapehelium t1_j6jvwze wrote
I am not sure the PA/PLO is able to make any compromises. None of their leaders can accept a deal that gives them any less than arafat rejected.
In addition the Palestinians have consistently refused numerous offers of a state. As far as I can tell, they Palestinians have never compromised on any of their demands.
I expect they will get a state eventually, but it will be so long until they agree, it will be a fragment of what they could have had.
And then there is the other issue, that they have been unwilling to agree to the Israeli requirement that any agreement be the end of all claims. i.e The Palestinians cannot come back 10 years after a signed agreement and say they also want A,B,C. This is a major problem for them, as many Palestinians see an agreement with Israel as just a first step in reclaiming all of Palestine. As they regularly say - From the river (i.e. Jordan River) to the sea (i.e. mediterranean sea) Palestine will be free. i.e. no more Israel.
(not to mention that Hamas and the PA can't agree on very much, and that Even if Israel were willing to meet all the demands of the PA, Abbas isn't really a legitimate leader, being in the 19th year of his 4 year presidential term....)
ntbananas t1_j6jwqnl wrote
I don't really disagree with what you wrote. To clarify, I was referring to the PLO from the time around the Oslo Accords. While far, far from perfect, that showed they were at least willing to make some sort of compromise. Better and more rational than Hamas et al.
That said, the modern PA has made some compromises with Israel. Not in terms of a lasting peace plan or anything major, but they do generally (outside of particularly large flare-ups like this month) cooperate with Israel on day-to-day matters like minor civil things, taxation, and even limited security cooperation
bhuddistchipmonk t1_j6od2u5 wrote
Doesn’t seem like they’ve been doing much security cooperation recently (hence the recent raids in Jenin)
ntbananas t1_j6ofhxx wrote
True. But that was the case as of a couple months ago
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