Submitted by lustfulcuties t3_yfi562 in worldnews
ReturnOfDaSnack420 t1_iu42gun wrote
Hard to talk with someone when they don't think you have a right to exist
QubitQuanta t1_iu5cbn6 wrote
China was fine with Taiwan existing before Tsai took over.
pittaxx t1_iu5r7dx wrote
China was happy to leave Taiwan be until it solved the other more pressing issues, as Taiwan was pretty non-confrontational.
But in recent years, especially after Tsai came to office, Taiwan started talking openly about independence, started pushing for international recognition etc.
Can't have that. /s
Edit: added /s, maybe that will keep the witch hunters away, who keep finding pro-China arguments where there are none.
mmmhmmhim t1_iu5vtwg wrote
"this is all Taiwans fault" lmfao
undeadermonkey t1_iu6bt4h wrote
He's not wrong, and you seem to be reading a motivation into his comment that didn't exist.
China's primary interest is in the propaganda win, they don't actually give a shit how things actually are - only how they appear.
De facto independence is one thing; having the Chinese populace witnessing blatent independence and an impotent response is something that the CCP cannot afford.
axusgrad t1_iu6gxfx wrote
China's action have been hurting their image for the last year, while Taiwan has not hurt its image. Xi is pretty bad at the image thing, kind of like Trump
undeadermonkey t1_iu6iq5i wrote
China's actions have been hurting their image for a very long time; we just didn't care because they make a bunch of cheap shitty goods.
They've been royally shitting the bed since the start of Covid though.
zenzukai t1_iu83tns wrote
But they can afford locking their residence into their apartments while corrupt CCP officials sell their emergency food rations on the black market?
Pretty sure the Chinese population is more concerned with food than Taiwan.
pittaxx t1_iu681q3 wrote
Not sure what you are trying to say.
This is definitely China responding to Taiwan's changed stance, but no-one is implying that Taiwan is doing anything wrong.
Spara-Extreme t1_iu7mnbz wrote
Your take is wrong but also blaming Taiwan for chinas view that Taiwan shouldn’t exist. That you don’t realize you’re tacitly agreeing with chinas position on Taiwan is a bit telling. Taiwan is an independent country, them claiming they are independent shouldn’t illicit any reaction at all.
pittaxx t1_iu8barn wrote
You are seeing what you want to see. I haven't implied any of those things.
I pointed out that this is China's reaction to Taiwan reasserting their independence. I never said that this reaction is normal, and I never said that Taiwan should stop doing what they are doing.
If anything, they should build stronger ties with the West and make their stance more clear, of they don't want to end up as Hong Kong.
Rainarrow t1_iu74i0p wrote
But Taiwan only changed stance in response to China trying to impose the “one county, two systems” thing on them, after them seeing how well it turned out for Hong Kong.
pittaxx t1_iu8brnc wrote
Not really, no. I'm sure Hong Kong's situation contributed to it, but they started slowly changing their stance even the situation in Hong Kong started escalating.
China is becoming more and more radical, and even without Hong Kong it was becoming obvious that you need to start taking more decisive steps to keep the crazies out of your backyard.
zenzukai t1_iu842wi wrote
You just stated "China was happy to leave Taiwan until it solved other more pressing issues", when it's more like "When Xi Xing Ping gained power he dismantled other factions of power in the CCP in order to change China's policies and priorities to his liking"
pittaxx t1_iu8c2b2 wrote
The keyword in that sentence was "until". Meaning that they would have come after Taiwan eventually anyway.
Also the post doesn't try to imply in any way that Winnie the Pooh is not a wannabe dictator, because he obviously is.
smcoolsm t1_iu72lj8 wrote
This is just not true. The threats have always been there!
Jia-the-Human t1_iu6ydcr wrote
You mean before Xi got a good and solid hold on China? China's general attitude in resent years has been much more belligerent, I'm sure having a pro independence party in power in taiwan didn't help m, but I'm sure China would have been quite pushy anyways, Tsai won exactly because China's attitude wasn't quite "fine with Taiwan existing", she got a huge boost of popularity during elections after China went on a fit because of a taiwanese Kpop star showing a taiwanese flag.
Moessenpay t1_iu80oc0 wrote
Taiwanese KPop star? What?
Jia-the-Human t1_iu8l4gt wrote
Yeah, Korea has many kpop stars that aren't actually korean, in this case it was the group Twice, pretty famous might have heard of it, there's 5 korean members, 3 japanese, and one Taiwanese, Tzuyu who's been huge in the kpop world (At some point she was nª3 in popularity polls).
And in a tv show where they had each member hold a flag of their home country she had the Taiwanese one, and China got to accuse her of separatism, cancelled all of Twice concerts in China, and was banned from Chinese TV, she lost contracts with Huawei, and the label posted a video apology of her saying stuff like "There is only one China, the two sides of the strait are one, and I have always felt proud to be Chinese" while looking absolutely dejected, and that was right before the elections that Tsai Ying Wen won.
CaptainSluggo t1_iu7ouj6 wrote
Is that why China fired missiles near Taiwan in 1996?
ahfoo t1_iu773kq wrote
Hmm, I wonder how much time you spend in Taiwan to say such a thing. For those of us who were here in the 90s when the Mainlanders were lobbing missiles over Taipei, that is an oddly ignorant statement to make. If we go back decade-by-decade we learn that the Chinese have been actively bombing islands claimed by Taiwan ever since WWII ended and only stopped temporarily when threatened with nuclear annihilation.
No, the CCP has never been "fine" with Taiwan's existence. The hostility towards Tsai is mostly just down to chauvinistic bigotry. Anger about a woman in power or anything that has to do with Taiwan's politics has nothing to do with the aggression. The reason for focusing on Taiwan is completely domestic to China. The leadership in China fears its own population and needs to manufacture an external threat to justify its existence. This has nothing to do with Taiwan's politics and everything to do with the internal power struggles of the CCP which is increasingly doubling down on bad bets.
B4rrel_Ryder t1_iu7ows7 wrote
And they wouldnt keep their promises
lostinKansai t1_iu6cbqu wrote
What, so I'm gonna start talking to myself now? China probably.
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