Hypertension123456 t1_jac5hh9 wrote
Reply to comment by OppenheimersGuilt in Ukraine war: Zelensky says situation in Bakhmut worsening by jacobhong
Reddit is fascinating this way. I first noticed it when Sanders was running vs Hillary. As far as Reddit was concerned Hillary never won any state and had no real support.
Now the same with this war. As far as Reddit is concerned the Russian army is hapless. A collection of old men, criminals, and disheartened conscripts begging to go home. All fighting with worse equipment that the average Ukranian farmer.
Then they ignore any information that goes against that narrative. Articles like this one will barely hit the front page of worldnews, and fall off before the day is done. This can be a bubble as bad as any.
EndemicAlien t1_jac62vv wrote
That's a bit extreme. There is bias yes, but those who take time out of their day to comment are usually the most extreme ones. And upvoting good news and downvoting bad ones is both a coping behaviour as it is a political statement. No-one wants to upvote Russian successes because it undermines Ukrainian moral and international support. So we don't.
But I would wager that most here absolutely see the war for what it is - currently a stalemate.
Hypertension123456 t1_jac77ke wrote
Maybe. But that's not what the front page looks like.
Wildercard t1_jac819k wrote
Interesting world where comments under articles are more informative than articles.
NorthernerWuwu t1_jae4byw wrote
It's always a tricky balance.
The enemy must be weak for morale purposes but strong for the purpose of securing additional military aid. That aid must be seen as vital and of the highest quality but also as unimportant and not of any cost to those giving it.
daniel_22sss t1_jad9emq wrote
"A collection of old men, criminals, and disheartened conscripts begging to go home."
Nobody said anything like that. If anything, reddit news showed that russian soldiers will keep going to the slaughter no matter what and their human qualities are dubious at best.
And just because they are incompetent doesn't mean that they can't just throw human waves at ukranians over and over again - which is exactly what they are doing. But taking a small city (it used to have population of 40k-70k) after a YEAR of fighting and countless casualties is not a gigantic russian victory. Its only a single line of defence, and Ukraine has hundreds more, and soon western tanks will arrive. Russia taking Bakhmut is not a sign that they are "winning". Russia took Severodonetsk just a few months before Ukraine did a brilliant counter-offensive and liberated entire Kharkiv oblast and Kherson. Everyone, who is not a coping russian supporter, said ages ago, that Bakhmut no longer holds strategic value, that would be worth all these resources Russia is throwing at it.
Bakhmut served its role as a place, where ukranians could kill A LOT of russian soldiers, and now they can retreat from those ruins.
Hypertension123456 t1_jadbhb0 wrote
> now they can retreat from those ruins.
Exactly
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cromwest t1_jacrd58 wrote
Just like people never forgave Clinton, no one will forgive Russia if the narrative is wrong and Russia ends up winning. Could you imagine how angry the world would be with the Russian people? They will never be forgiven and people will accept any hostile act against them. Could you imagine IRA staff being hunted as war criminals decades from now? Doesn't seem far fetched of Russia wins.
OppenheimersGuilt t1_jacwqbo wrote
> the world
*Significant chunks of Europe, the US, and AUS/NZ. Not the world.
cromwest t1_jad066x wrote
Most other nations have to pretend to care about what those nations think.
OppenheimersGuilt t1_jad5yy8 wrote
Looking down on the global south is not the wisest approach.
cromwest t1_jad6znv wrote
Western hegemony is the reality of the situation. Russia is threatening it right now and will be made an example of.
ssshield t1_jacz8ui wrote
Progressives wanted Bernie. Debbie Washerman Schulz wanted Hillary to be the first woman president and it to be Schulz's crowning career achievement placing her there, so she literally sabotaged Bernie's campaign from the inside as a total abuse of her position for her own hubris.
It wasn't some make believe dream that Bernie had the momentum and ability to win the Dem primary. If you went to both candidate's campaign events it was night and day the difference in the crowd.
ForgottenDreamshaper t1_jac7uwd wrote
This is just the tip of the iceberg. Any information about true state of events in Ukraine gets deleted anywhere, even if it has publicly available proofs for it. Every place, including the Reddit tries to keep up with the narrative, so in the end you consume as much propaganda as russians from their state media. Sadly, there are no platform for people from Ukraine to speek freely and adress major foreign audience, so you will never know all the truth.
jeeepblack t1_jacjhq3 wrote
Seems like you are hoping for the "both sides" type of reporting. Nobody wants to hear Russian bullshit as the aggressor. Nobody has a desire to point out and applaud Russian success... because they are the aggressor.
Stop trying to guilt people into showing a soft spot for Russia. Seriously.
EroticPotato69 t1_jadccy7 wrote
Wanting to know and share the truth is not "showing a soft spot for Russia". Truth is the first casualty of war, and your attitude is facilitating that. People deserve to know the truth, even if it isn't what they may want to hear.
OppenheimersGuilt t1_jacoxf2 wrote
...and this is what propaganda consumption manifests as.
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NopetrainToNopeville t1_jaeq3n6 wrote
Are you honestly trying to imply that rooting against an imperialist regime attacking a sovereign nation is caused by propaganda?
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