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TheMindfulnessShaman t1_ja0wxua wrote

So is India.

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VeryQuokka t1_ja1ozza wrote

The article states "with only China and Russia itself declining to sign a joint statement." That suggests India did sign it.

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evanescentglint t1_ja23tpd wrote

Hard to not sign something you had to write: >India, which as chair of the Group of Twenty (G20) economies was hosting a meeting in the city of Bengaluru, was reluctant to raise the issue of the war but Western nations insisted they could not back any outcome that did not include a condemnation.

And they kinda just summarized what was said in the 2 days of talks, which makes it even more silly for China to not sign

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VeryQuokka t1_ja24q4n wrote

The document they wrote includes some statements of condemnation and how international law and the multilateral system should be upheld. These were in 2 paragraphs that are indicated as being opposed by Russia and China.

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puntinoblue t1_ja2wo8d wrote

I think the reference is to this week's United Nations General Assembly resolution on demanding Moscow withdraw its troops from Ukraine and end the fighting. 7 voted against: Russia, Belarus, N.Korea etc. 32 abstained. India, along with China, was one of the countries that refused to condemn the invasion. So it is hypocritical of India to blame China for being consistent in its position.

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Ashi96 t1_ja1p40v wrote

Spoken like a true high-schooler.

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batmansthebomb t1_ja1tqfn wrote

"I support Russia committing genocide and rape against Ukraine because in 1971 we were genocided and raped by Pakistan."

Solid position you got there bud.

Also nice username ya got there one month old adjective noun numbers account.

Edit: Got banned for a day. Nice.

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[deleted] t1_ja1u8qs wrote

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batmansthebomb t1_ja1v0jk wrote

Do you honestly believe that Russia is 1) competent enough to help you and 2) also not treacherous

Russia's economy is shit, their military is shit, their government is shit, and they've broke several international agreements.

If you want to support them commiting genocide and rape, that's you're prerogative, but at least be honest with yourself.

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batmansthebomb t1_ja1wiud wrote

I think Russia's economy is shit because they are the only developed economy that shrank last year, yes. I think Russia's military is shit because despite a huge technological and equipment advantage, they failed to invade Ukraine and are pulling tanks from the 1950s into service, yes. I think Russia's government is shit because dictatorships are inherently flawed and weak and Putin has stolen hundreds of billions from the Russian people, yes.

Good luck allying with them though, it's not like they stabbed Ukraine in the back or were planning to stab Belarus in the back or anything. Hope it works out great for you.

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Also I like how you yourself included "Russia hasn't stabbed us in the back yet"

Lmao

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legalcartrouble t1_ja1ycbt wrote

I can see where you are coming from, however I don’t see Russia coming to India’s aid in a conflict with Pakistan, at least in the foreseeable future . Recently a member Of CSTO (nato’s counterpart, which Russia is a part of) has been in a military conflict and yet Russia refuses to help.

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howard416 t1_ja1pis0 wrote

This just in: two wrongs make a right

Also, you ever hear the saying “you’re only as good as your last job”? Maybe not…

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bluepenn t1_ja1q53n wrote

Hold on, what tf did Norway do?

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Ashi96 t1_ja1qq96 wrote

Start hating on Greeks too my man. They invaded India in 300BC.

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Fuckballsmcgee t1_ja1scvj wrote

Hilarious. He was joking, yet you took seriously. Indian nationalists are comedy gold.

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Venerable_Rival t1_ja1sqq0 wrote

Having sustained a genocidal invasion as you say, you'd think there'd be more sympathy for Ukraine's suffering in India.

But no, just bitter resentment and an ad-hoc reliance on 'such and such happened way back when'.

It's blatant nationalistic opportunism, you can't possibly believe Russia hasn't had imperial leanings since their inception.

But sure, snub your democratic allies for a madman's pipedream. I'm sure you'll make for considerate bed-fellows with Russia's best bud, China.

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Venerable_Rival t1_ja1unmt wrote

So it's in India's national interest to align themselves with Russia and China? Because that's the axis your advocating. Can you at least condemn the concept of empire?

Cutting through the bullshit, let's all just admit that India has fallen victim to blind nationalism and is ironically pursuing its own version of modern empire.

History taught you nothing. Opportunists, as I said.

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Venerable_Rival t1_ja1wae4 wrote

How very diplomatic of you, I can see valid concerns are met considerately in India. Never mind UN participation, just have your delegate put up a sign that says 'Fuck off'. You're only supporting my opinion here.

Also, it will be impossible to sustain a relationship with Russia without eventually conceding to China. How shortsighted must you be to believe a victorious Russia wouldn't favour China to India?

Picture this. Putin's best imitation of the Nazis actually pans out and his empire swallows half of Europe. What the fuck do you think china is doing in the interim? Do you honestly think Russia and China won't conspire to nibble at their middle man, India? All of those grievances built up between your nations will be settled in one direction only: China's.

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cosbBade t1_ja1u82w wrote

No- you should support Ukraine, who is being invaded and butchered. The US should not be part of the consideration.

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cosbBade t1_ja1vk0b wrote

But do you realize the irony of criticizing the US and others for decades ago (also centuries, per your other comments) doing what you are, today, trying to rationalize? Why can’t we all do the ethical thing RIGHT NOW, which is to condemn the aggressor and support the victim of literal genocide?

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cosbBade t1_ja1yspp wrote

So ethics be damned in the name of perceived security? Maybe India and the West aren’t completely dissimilar. I hope we all some day evolve from this nonsense. I am sure supporting those actively violating the sovereignty of neighboring countries will help Indians feel more secure in theirs.

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