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Johnny9Toes OP t1_iyskmai wrote

Sort of ironic that their messaging seems to revolve around protecting every last tree (on public land) from being harvested for any sort of use as the primary weapon in the fight against climate change then turn around and advertise this event on ...wait for it... paper.

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TheTowerBard t1_iysmjc8 wrote

This is silly. You know this is silly. We do, after all, live in a society.

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thisoneisnotasbad t1_iyt9nn3 wrote

It’s not silly though.

Not when there are options for people who feel that passionately about a topic. Who knows, maybe it was printed on hemp paper. It does show a level of “I only want convenient change”.

Be the change you want to see in the world.

For instance, I am opposed to industrial meat farming. I won’t buy red meat at a grocery store or restaurant. Saying, ohhh well.. thats society looks hypocritical.

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TheTowerBard t1_iytc72p wrote

But it sounds like you buy other products at those stores thus supporting businesses that support an industry you don’t believe in. It’s a pointless game we can all play and yes, it’s quite silly. It’s ok that you buy other products at those stores and it’s ok that the tree people printed their flier on paper.

The real issue with our environment doesn’t lie with us peons, it lies with a handful of mega corporations. The changes we can make as individuals might make us feel better about ourselves, but ultimately have no real impact. So yes, bickering with each other about this sort of stuff, or really anything, is really silly and pointless. We should redirect our energy where it matters.

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thisoneisnotasbad t1_iytdh0z wrote

I dont think you understand the industrial meat production market. Or economic boycotts in general. But yes, buying Boston crisp lettuce is ok and doesn’t add anything to the industrial meat complex.

There is no way to avoid globalization and thus everything you buy supports companies that have their finger in your choosen protest but by not actively participating you reduce demand of any given sector.

For instance, every pound of meat I buy from a local farmer is directly equal to one less pound of meat that needs to be raised in a commercial meat facility, assuming I choose to keep eating meat. If enough people oppose commercial meat and take the same action demand is reduced, supply is reduced and less animals are raised in industrial meat.

Likewise every piece of paper that is used is a tree that is cut down (obviously not a whole tree but you get the point).

That is the basis of economic protest and boycotts that have been shown to work. This is not something like buying gasoline which is a requirement to participate in society with no viable affordable option otherwise. This is an extra couple bucks for a ream of hemp paper.

It is the same as screaming about human right violations and then buying apple products. There is enough competition that you don’t need to actively support any specific vendor to participate in society.

Vote with your dollars. Given the dysfunctional state of politics it really is almost the only agency you have to voice you opinion.

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Sudden_Dragonfly2638 t1_iysmwz0 wrote

There are responsible and less harmful ways to manage and harvest forests that allows for the production of wood products.

I don't know anything about this group, but I'm all for responsible forestry in general and I do like the idea of preserving old growth forests.

Edit: You got me doing some reading. According to this study large trees that are only about 3% of the forest accounted for 33%-46% of carbon storage. That's pretty wild.

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/ffgc.2020.594274/full

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