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WorkingMinimum t1_j9k7l6g wrote

Reply to comment by Kixeliz in Return of the Guy Who’s Definitely Not Racist, Not Even a Little Tiny Bit, How Dare You Suggest Otherwise by pre_chewed_cigarette

Again, if I imagine someone saying the exact same words but looking different than a crusty old white guy, it tracks.

You can’t picture Lori Lightfoot or Stacy Abramssaying “black cops may be more in touch with black communities, and may therefore be able to de-escalate situations more easily”?

The only problem with what he said is the context of his race, and that he didn’t tack on supporting an initiative to hire more black police to decrease the demographic disparity on the force.

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Kixeliz t1_j9k7wrl wrote

Why would I need to picture it? These people exist and have given their thoughts publicly on police reform lots and lots of times. Can't remember any of them suggesting segregated police, though. Weird. Maybe what he was saying isn't at all an appropriate solution as creative as he thinks it is?

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WorkingMinimum t1_j9k8h7k wrote

Can you show the quote where he said the force should be segregated? All I’ve seen so far is that he thinks black officers are potentially more appropriate to send when addressing incidents in the black community. He didn’t use any sort of absolute language as far as I can tell, he didn’t suggest criminality is a black only problem… i think you’ve got a hate boner for the guy and maybe it’s deserve for other reasons, but the direct quotes in the article have me wondering what exactly he did wrong, because all the bad stuff is inferred by the reporter and rage bait junkies

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Human802 t1_j9kl61o wrote

This is such a sad trend in American political discourse. Just because he didn’t say the word “segregation” doesn’t mean that not what he was talking about. He described segregation of police responsibilities based on assumed race of perpetrator and/or victim. These word games are so pathetic, such a waste of time.

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WorkingMinimum t1_j9kokpb wrote

But again, if he was not a white male, if he was clearly an ally, the exact words could be used and Reddit would applaud.

Personally, it doesn’t make a difference in my life what a cop looks like. However, in a country where police brutality is commonplace and often framed as a racial issue, it doesn’t seem far fetched to suggest that the community should be policed by members of its community. And if that community is predominately black, maybe there would be some measurable benefit for a predominately black police force.

The sad trend is actually that people can’t share ideas casually without risk of social assassination. I think this dude is catching more flack for having the wrong identity than for the content of his idea.

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Human802 t1_j9kvt57 wrote

You keep trying to construct this strawman, that if only he looked different he would be applauded. But, no. It’s a bad idea, one that wouldn’t help. One that been tried and has failed.

Police reform is not some new idea, I have been reading books about it, listening to activists and progressive DA’s discuss these ideas for at least 20 years now. You clearly have not looked into this movement very closely and seem more interested in defending some strawman persecution fetish, but go read a book. Listen to a podcast, watch a documentary.

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WorkingMinimum t1_j9lbavc wrote

I never said it wasn’t a bad idea, or that it would be the answer we’ve all been waiting for.

Here’s an article that suggests what Vien proposed may in fact be worth pursuing:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/diversity-law-enforcement-may-improve-policing-study-shows-n1257515

This is from associated press by way of nbc. The right sort of groups to deliver vs say, Vien or Fox News.

The only mistake this dude made was in having an opinion on race relations without the correct identity.

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BudsKind802 t1_j9m214s wrote

That's a nice article but nowhere in it does it support what you and Mr Viens are suggesting, which is POC police should only police POC. Instead what it says is that overall diversifying the ENTIRE police department has led to fewer minor crime arrests in minority areas. It also mentions women officers showed the same pattern, and the person featured in the article sums it up by saying:

> She and other local activists want to see more body cameras, community oversight of police, stringent use of force policies and more consequences for police officers who do harm while on the job.

I can't tell if you lack critical reading and argument skills, or if you're yet another bad faith troll.

Edit: I saw your other posts. You're definitely a bad faith troll.

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WorkingMinimum t1_j9m8tsi wrote

I’m not suggesting anything other than what veins said being uncontroversial if you substitute his identity for a more palatable one.

As far as I can tell, viens never spoke in absolutes, never suggested that only black cops should police black communities. If you have that quote please share - OPs article is clearly biased and never presents what veins said in one unadulterated block.

It really seems like everyone wants to hate this guy for proposing reasonable ideas under the wrong identity and because he used one wrong word (which he did apologize for despite OP/article claiming he never apologized)

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