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[deleted] t1_j3bbetg wrote

Reply to comment by Ulgeguug in TIL of execution by Breaking Wheel that would start with tying the body to a wheel, breaking the bones of the limbs, braiding the broken limbs through the spokes and leaving the body to be eaten by scavenging animals and birds. by muadib1974

Even just the outlawing of cruel punishment makes the US Constitution an amazing thing

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Ulgeguug t1_j3bc7t9 wrote

With limited success, unfortunately, but yes

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[deleted] t1_j3bd27g wrote

You think the USA still has torture like the breaking wheel?

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Ulgeguug t1_j3bdk1c wrote

I think you either don't understand the difference between "limited success" and "no success at all", or you do understand and you're responding in bad faith.

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[deleted] t1_j3bfdxs wrote

I think the constitution is wildly successful - cruel punishment being one. Criminals are in prisons with HVAC, gyms, TV , 3 meals a day …

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Ulgeguug t1_j3bhg2q wrote

>Criminals are in prisons with HVAC, gyms, TV , 3 meals a day …

Except when they're in prisons without HVAC being subjected to heat, or being regularly subjected to extended solitary confinement, or beatings and other abuses, or put in deliberate danger including of sexual assault, or in the case of those that are abducted from other countries and deprived the dubious rights and protections granted prisoners and subjected to torture, either euphemized or not.

Like the idea that prisoners getting "3 meals" means it's not cruel simply because you're not literally starving them, even if that food is unfit for human consumption and is often unsafe for human consumption, is pretty callous.

I'm a big fan of the constitution, like, I have a favorite Federalist paper big fan, but in terms of how successful we've been at upholding it, either in letter or spirit, we are sorely lacking.

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