ThatOtkauWolf_90 t1_ixu7y8d wrote
Did you know keeping slaves was very common in ancient Norse culture? Which means there are tons of white people today who have the exact same background when it comes to slavery as African Americans... same with almost every race/culture to date. Yes you're very much correct this happend and was awful, but slavery is not exclusively a race thing or unique in our country's history. I'm sure this will be down voted or removed but at least that means people read it.
BelAirGhetto t1_ixub96z wrote
It was common in Rome and Egypt too!
The Jews were slaves.
Since we have this in common we know just how much effort it takes to root out slave apologists everywhere.
Slavery is abhorrent, and excusing it is also a form of hate, can we agree?
monkeypox_69 t1_ixv4vmm wrote
Not to mention native Americans were enslaving each other before the united states' was a thing but the circlejerk here is America bad.
absolutelyshafted t1_ixw7xd6 wrote
Yeah native Americans were branding each other with irons, whipping each other to death, separating families, selling people on auction blocks, transporting tons of other natives in the worst conditions, cutting off limbs for those who escaped
monkeypox_69 t1_ixw8zxa wrote
Terrible stuff, can we all agree this was bad and belongs in the past? But no, America had slaves so bad, evil and wrong. I'm not excusing the ugliness of the past but fuck man if we can't get past those times, there is no future.
billbuild t1_iy2621t wrote
> I'm not excusing the ugliness of the past but fuck man if we can't get past those times, there is no future.
Sounds like you have already.
monkeypox_69 t1_iy266kt wrote
Better report me to the anti racist police
billbuild t1_iy26n9j wrote
There aren’t any so you can just go on being racist and never asking yourself why. It’s your life bud!
unRoanoke t1_ixuc35q wrote
This particular article is about enslaved people in the US in 1860 and the events and systems that led to demand for the labor those specific people were forced to perform.
While it is true that other cultures/races/ethnicities throughout history and geography suffered enslavement or enslaved others, that is not relevant to this discussion about this specific group of people in this specific place at this specific time.
SomewhatIntriguing t1_ixu8dn3 wrote
Sounds like whataboutism to me
colonel_beeeees t1_ixuaga0 wrote
Cool did the Norse redline cities to keep black Americans from homeownership
xdzgor t1_ixucmyi wrote
No black Americans owned homes in the old Norse times. Draw your own conclusion.
billbuild t1_iy25vtv wrote
Were they raped, separated from their families at any time for any reason, thrown overboard in the Atlantic because they were pregnant, hung, burned, breastfed the children of oppressors only to be labeled dangerous when the emancipation proclamation was signed too? Cool story bro.
matbabtob t1_ixuc0r4 wrote
Yes, but there are people alive and kicking that can directly trace their wealth, land, careers, politics, and culture to the slave trade referenced by OP. So it's probably worth being focused on a little bit more than more ancient examples...
[deleted] t1_ixue674 wrote
Oh, shut the fuck up.
SueSudio t1_ixusi01 wrote
People are aware of the ubiquitous nature of slavery in human history. What was the point you were trying to get across with this comment?
ThatOtkauWolf_90 t1_ixusvf8 wrote
No they really aren't.
SueSudio t1_ixuvpxa wrote
Are you aware that the founding fathers were aware that slavery was morally wrong and acknowledged that they personally benefited from it, which made it difficult to undo?
SueSudio t1_ixuu34b wrote
Maybe you need different social circles. It's pretty common knowledge. It's even in central stories of the bible.
I'm still curious what perspective you were hoping to impart on people, comparing middle ages Scandinavia to the USA 150 years ago.
monkeypox_69 t1_ixv5tft wrote
It should be common knowledge but people wanna pretend america not only started slavery but was the only source which is nonsense.
SueSudio t1_ixvj0ex wrote
Didn't start it, just fought a brutal war to keep it long after it was acknowledged how morally wrong it was.
monkeypox_69 t1_ixvounj wrote
Yes, some people fought for that but people wanna act like it's everyone's fault. Forever guilty, never any progress because the past is unchangeable.
SueSudio t1_ixvrhns wrote
Not forever guilty. But make amends.
monkeypox_69 t1_ixvynh0 wrote
The problem with "amends" is it will never be enough.
SueSudio t1_ixvzxv0 wrote
That's a good excuse when you aren't the one that was oppressed.
monkeypox_69 t1_ixw0ipa wrote
Neither were you. Stop playing games.
SueSudio t1_ixw60cs wrote
There's the root. You pretend there is no issue. People in my lifetime were denied home ownership opportunities to build wealth. The government had programs that gave developers incentives as long as they didn't sell homes to black people.
monkeypox_69 t1_ixw77gp wrote
Well in the past it was black folks, now we're all getting screwed. This country ain't perfect, if you don't like it here you are free to leave. Let's see you go to a country without it's share of past and present social and racial problems.
SueSudio t1_ixwk3en wrote
"If you don't like it leave." More often than not that's how these conversations end. So predictable and weak.
monkeypox_69 t1_ixx04ev wrote
So don't leave, stop bitching.
SueSudio t1_ixx5mvv wrote
You may not have noticed due to your seething anger, but I am not bitching, you are. I am stating that I believe measures need to be taken to even the scales due to lingering effects of systemic racism.
monkeypox_69 t1_ixxg82h wrote
Well good luck with your racist witch hunting
rapiertwit t1_ixuhchg wrote
Yeah but Scandinavians weren't keeping slaves in 1850 whole crowing about "liberty" as the basis for their civilization.
That's the difference.
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