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[deleted] t1_je56b6s wrote

Reply to comment by nosnevenaes in TIL The oldest musical instrument in the world, a 60,000-year-old Neanderthal flute, is made from the left thighbone of a young cave bear. by gonejahman

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nosnevenaes t1_je56jgb wrote

They did not have buns back then.

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Kwando-D-Hornblower t1_je5iidf wrote

Yes they did. Prove me wrong.

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nosnevenaes t1_je5mfbb wrote

Well. Buns require leavening yes?

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Whoretron8000 t1_je6159v wrote

Idk, we just found evidence of cooking fish 780,000 years ago, we are slowly learning more as we go and I wouldn't be surprised if our estimates on manipulating yeasts to make fluffy grain paste are off by a few-tens of thousand years.

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nosnevenaes t1_je63sw7 wrote

Catching fish is easier to figure out than how to make dough rise.

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Whoretron8000 t1_je64j0q wrote

Sure, I don't think catching fish and cooking it is so much the surprise, but the discrepancy between what we previously knew and what we know now in regards to what evidence suggests is what's surprising... How wrong we could potentially be until we learn more.

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nosnevenaes t1_je65ar8 wrote

This is true. Yes. But if you make bread one of the first thoughts that comes to mind while you are proofing dough is how long did it did it take mf'ers to figure this out?

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Whoretron8000 t1_je6f55o wrote

For some reason I instantly pictured a chronological display of all the different breads made with different grains, yeasts, proof times etc. In a museum.

Is it possible a neanderthal just found some extra crushed grain sitting in some water that got mashed by the weight or something.. and they cooked it and tried to recreate it? Was it methodical? Accident? How many got sick trying different iterations. Oooh possibilities.

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nosnevenaes t1_je6hp0v wrote

ok yeah making the bread is not the hard part. it is getting an agent into the bread to make it rise, such as yeast, or sourdough, etc.

that is the innovation which would have taken a long ass time to come up with.

so they might have had hot cross crackers, hardtac, or whatever - i mean even the last supper - what did jesus and the crew eat? unleavened bread.

the romans didnt have it as far as i know.

i think the bread we eat today (which i love) is a relatively new thing.

i am not dragging chatGPT into this!

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