therealjsquared t1_iuiwe0c wrote
Reply to comment by Educational-Tower in Yellowstone seasons 1-4, Should I binge them before season 5? What are y'alls thoughts on Yellowstone? by speberjy
It absolutely is not about people on the political right.
Are there some right leaning things like guns, etc. Sure. Sure, there's a big family with big money from doing cowboy/rancher things.
But the politics in this show are very neutral and aren't a huge part of the story.
Daze_Confuse t1_iuixhvv wrote
The politics on the show absolutely are right leaning. The two main antagonists of season 1 are a California Liberal Elite and a Native American leader taking advantage of reservation laws to try and steal the Dutton's land. In season 2, it's the Texas brothers who want to develop the land. In season 3 and 4 it's the New York liberal elite developers with a minor thread of a Berkeley-led environmentalist who literally has her world rocked by the lead cowboy's dicking. Every season has multiple Californian minor antagonists or comically stupid tourists who often die for their mistakes and the entire point of every season so far has been the Duttons accumulating political power to, in John Dutton's winning governor's speech "be the wall progression bashes against".
therealjsquared t1_iuizwlt wrote
That might be a slight facade, because the dynamics of the family itself, which the show revolves around, are not conservative.
Surface level viewers will see the things you mentioned because that is as far as they want to go. Those things are only plot devices meant to reflect the real issues people in that region experience while push along the underlying story of the family.
Kevin Costner is behind this, and he's probably politically diverse. I've seen him as more of a classic libertarian (read pre-Gadsden Trump cultists) than anything. That's why you see him using things like private property rights as plot devices.
People that paint this as right leaning or pandering are the ones that almost pushed me away from watching. I am glad I didn't listen to them.
Daze_Confuse t1_iuj3mrg wrote
> That might be a slight facade, because the dynamics of the family itself, which the show revolves around, are not conservative.
I don't even know what this means.
>Surface level viewers will see the things you mentioned because that is as far as they want to go.
I mean...I just gave you the overarching plot of every season? Not really sure how they are surface level.
>Kevin Costner is behind this, and he's probably politically diverse.
His speech literally used the phrase "the wall that progression bashes against". A speech that is then in the next episode called "prophetic". I don't know how much more clear that can be.
>People that paint this as right leaning or pandering
It is right leaning. Every single main antagonist so far has been some sort of liberal coastal elite, with the exception of the Texas brothers who then end up being white supremacist elites. The antagonists for season 1 magically see the errors of their ways after understanding the Montana way of life and teaming up with the Duttons in season 2. Monica has multiple scenes showing her as a screechy liberal shrew pulling Kayce from his family legacy while still happily spending the family's money. The entire Yellowstone brand plotline is a literal cult/gang that you have to kill to get into and have to die to get out of. Jamie is repeatedly shown to be a spinless, cowardly pussy because of his elite coastal education to the point where he cries multiple times on screen begging for his family's acceptance. And then, he's actually SUCH a pussy, it's genetic and he was never really part of the family anyway. Because that makes sense. Every problem is solved with Beth walking in bitchily or Rip punching the issue and multiple women who stand in the way of John succumb to his magical cowboy dick.
Talk about a surface level understanding of a show, I could easily go on and on.
therealjsquared t1_iuj51d6 wrote
Wow. "liberal coastal elite" "screechy liberal shrew" "elite coastal education"
It seems to me that you're one of the ones taking it on surface level to stroke some sort of underlying irrational worldview of "coastal liberal elites."
This show is basically Sopranos with cowboys instead of cliche Italian mobsters. If you see anything more than that, then you have a bias that you can't get past to see the bigger picture.
I can't wait for this "conservative, right wing" show to drop a "liberal progress" bombshell at some point and force apparently half or more of the viewers to stop watching because Joe Rogan or Kanye West told them to.
Daze_Confuse t1_iuj59c1 wrote
You: Give me examples.
Me: Okay, here's ten.
You: LALALALALALALA
Educational-Tower t1_iuiwzui wrote
It’s about the defence of a way of life, landowners against the forces of modernity. That is the overarching plot of each season.
therealjsquared t1_iuiy5nf wrote
Somewhat. But that doesn't make it right leaning. These people are definitely not religious (nor do they even fake it,) they only care about politics in that they want to preserve their own empire (okay, this might SLIGHTLY be conservative,) and centers moreso around the complicated family dynamics that come with power.
It is more Sopranos than anything conservative or right-wing.
Educational-Tower t1_iuj4qst wrote
The roots of conservatism lie in agriculture and ownership of land. That’s the way of life focused on in the show. And there is no “somewhat” about it. That is literally the plot of each season.
therealjsquared t1_iuj5o2o wrote
I disagree. The roots of modern conservatism lie in capitalism, Christianity, and white privilege.
I'll give you maybe one of those three that could play a big part on this show.
I've maintained this whole time that there are surface level aspects of this show that are conservative, yes.
But the main story and writing revolves around the family structure and the preservation of it.
Educational-Tower t1_iuj5vks wrote
Even if your assertion is true (which it isn’t) the conservatism being explored in the show is a pre-modern one.
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