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DetectiveTank t1_j029r34 wrote

It absolutely does have bearing on whether they are a commodity or security XD.

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lilrabbitfoofoo t1_j02afn2 wrote

Then you seem to be fighting over them being imaginary securities instead of imaginary commodities. They fail the Howey Test, so they are not securities. But that doesn't matter. They are still worthless frauds (aka Ponzi schemes) nonetheless.

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DetectiveTank t1_j02ussi wrote

I'm actually really only interested in the commodity vs security part because that's where the discussion about how governments are going to regulate them is.

But at least we can agree that centrally controlled proof of stake tokens are ponzis. So, I'm satisfied with that.

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lilrabbitfoofoo t1_j02w4lj wrote

You can't legitimately regulate a Ponzi scheme. You can only shut it down, arrest the perpetrators, recover the gains from those that profited, and distribute those gains to the losers for pennies on the dollar.

Like they did with Madoff and the "investors" who made money off the Ponzi scheme. To avoid going to prison as de facto accomplices (they couldn't prove they didn't know it was a scam), they returned all of their gains to a common pool.

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