Def_Not_A_Noctor t1_j2b8vex wrote on December 30, 2022 at 11:46 PM

Reply to comment by ImpressiveHunt810 in New York’s governor signs watered-down right-to-repair bill - Last-minute concessions weakened the rules, which will only apply to new consumer products sold after July 1st. by speckz

Well I mean, you CAN talk to people on a different team. Maybe find out that people have more goals in common than things that drive them apart. The idea is that people from (speaking in the US) both sides realize they are just being pitted against each other and vote for the best candidate instead.

It's not a waste if enough people do it. Stop thinking in terms of teams.

ImpressiveHunt810 t1_j2bey4v wrote on December 31, 2022 at 12:29 AM

Who said anything about talking to other people? I talk to plenty of people I disagree with politically, and you're right that most people are closer than it seems. But it's the prisoner's dilemma, the best choice for society, which is everyone voting their conscience and moderate candidates usually winning, is not the optimal choice for an individual deciding who to vote for in a first past the post system. As a progressive leaning person I would never vote for a 3rd party candidate who aligns perfectly with my values, because the real choice is between a Democrat and a Republican, and Democrats more closely align with my values. If I was a libertarian leaning Republican, I would vote for the Republican all day over a libertarian. This is the system we have, and it should be changed, but as it stands you are making the rational choice when you vote for a major party candidate if your goal is to have politicians who more closely align with your values.

Def_Not_A_Noctor t1_j2bl9i5 wrote on December 31, 2022 at 1:16 AM

That’s just false. You THINK your vote is wasted, but if enough people are convinced to vote away from the party and it’s suddenly a viable option.
There are no candidates of the two major parties that hold any of the values of their constituents. By and large they have been detached from the values of the common person most of their lives. Democrats have touted being the pro-immigrant party for decades, but if you look at the votes, not once have they seriously tried to push through legislation beneficial to immigrants. Republicans tout being pro 2nd amendment, but consistently vote against it. People seem to forget that Reagan was the start of the draconian gun control that California has.

ImpressiveHunt810 t1_j2bn782 wrote on December 31, 2022 at 1:30 AM

I'm sure it will happen next election, that time for sure we'll convince people to vote 3rd party! You got this!

Def_Not_A_Noctor t1_j2bnizo wrote on December 31, 2022 at 1:33 AM

That attitude right there makes you part of the problem.

ImpressiveHunt810 t1_j2bnq92 wrote on December 31, 2022 at 1:34 AM

You have to change the system first. You need to live in reality. Work at the local and state level to get ranked choice voting implemented, but that's the work that has to be done. You're saying what I think is false, but it is objectively true under the CURRENT first past the post system.