privated1ck t1_j008wbr wrote
Reply to comment by Sans_culottez in Tesla Semi 500-Mile Trip Video Shows Truck May Have Had a Lower GVW Than 81,000 Lb by Ssider69
I'm pretty sure that a semi tractor with full tanks of diesel fuel is just about as dangerous. You can't put that fire out with water either, and in fact diesel fuel flows and floats, making it possibly even more dangerous than a lithium battery fire.
And in a world where major manufacturers choose to pay accident victim's families instead of recalling dangerous vehicles, you can be damn sure it's all about the money.
But that's outside my scope here.
Sans_culottez t1_j00a2nj wrote
Well that’s kinda my point, existing regulations about transportation of fuel trucks discourage them from going through tunnels, generally.
privated1ck t1_j00cisc wrote
Not talking about a fuel truck, I'm talking about a semi tractor with side tanks full of diesel fuel for the tractor.
Sans_culottez t1_j00d6gr wrote
Okay, we’ve already accounted for that for ICE trucking, but we don’t put that shit in our actual total volume of inventory by Mile, even now.
Like I’m not okay with how ICE trucking companies let off their externalities onto their workers and other people that have to be on the road. But they already do it.
And now you’re introducing another very different engine plan that is evaluated without any of of the logistical hurdles, only the specific engine costs.
That’s not gonna work.
privated1ck t1_j00eb62 wrote
When you speak of companies who "let off their externalities" onto others, I assume You're about the trucking companies that employee independent truckers who own or lease their own vehicles? Assuming I understand what you even talking about, that's not the model that works best for an emerging technology like this. I'm talking about massive logistics companies with their own fleets. They can afford to absorb the initial costs, and average out the effects of cost and risk over a large number of vehicles over a large amount of time with plenty of capital to cushion the shocks.
Sans_culottez t1_j00f40v wrote
Oh no, I I mean all logistics companies that happen to involve truckers. They by and large treat all of their workers like shit, it just gets a lot worse with “independent” trucking companies like you mentioned.
Even the best companies, that treat their workers the best (which basically doesn’t exist in the US), still offload a lot of externalities onto the localities that they work through, they just don’t offload it onto their workers directly.
You end up paying it through taxes to repair your roadways, only that’s the only way you see it when you’re a flyby town with only a gas station, and then wonder why no one in your town ever gets up unless they get out.
Edit: also, I’m not a demon mind that figures all this shit out for the company. I’m just someone with a weird intelligence that just so happened to have a lot of family in the trucking industry.
The demon minds will figure this shit out for the logistics companies, after your town has been burnt to the ground from them figuring it out.
privated1ck t1_j00wdcg wrote
This comment thread is getting way off track. The way the trucking industry treats its workers is completely independent of whether those trucks are electric or petroleum powered. The question of whether fleets will replace their petroleum-powered trucks with electric powered trucks is strictly a matter of the economics of one versus the other, all other fixed costs/common considerations being equal. And large companies will be the movers in this space because their economies of scale make the risk proposition worthwhile.
Sans_culottez t1_j00wqfe wrote
No honestly it is very much not. The way the trucking industry gets away with pretending it is efficient In the US is by offloading externalities onto its workers and municipalities.
It’s passing the buck right along, and that’s very easy to do so long as someone else gotta pay for it.
Edit: and yo, again about how somebody else has to pay for it, how many truckers you know ended up with a crank habit to make their deadline?
That’s company time you gotta pay on your family line.
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