Numerous-Mix-9775 t1_j50g52d wrote on January 19, 2023 at 3:20 PM

Reply to comment by MartonianJ in This subreddit seems pretty blind when it comes to Northern Springfield. by PixelSteel

Suburbs don’t count. Northside is south of Norton, north of Grand/Walnut, IMO. The line tends to bounce between those two - there’s a large part of West Mount Vernon that is someplace I’d avoid after dark, but the MSU area is okay (except for, ya know, the students).

DyktMuffinManwlodl t1_j50s5o6 wrote on January 19, 2023 at 4:37 PM

Was robbed at gun point right off west my Vernon.

It's not "north side" that's the problem, it's north westish.

OkDiscussion9395 t1_j50uaag wrote on January 19, 2023 at 4:50 PM

that is a good point. north east side of springfield is really nice actually. they have that new wild horse subdivision, etc. compare that to the north west side and its a whole different story

DyktMuffinManwlodl t1_j50w8hk wrote on January 19, 2023 at 5:02 PM

I live on the northeast side. The neighborhood I am in seems to be undergoing some kind of gentrification. They're building new houses, remodeling houses, rents are going up and property values are going up. Most of the houses in my neighborhood are 20 to 40 years old and in the realm of 1000 to 1200 ft but there is low inventory in the houses still so quickly.

When you look at the Northwest side, there's a high inventory of cheap houses. Houses aren't selling quickly. Lots of lipstick on pig, type of situations and a lot of crime.

You hear people blame the homeless because that is the f****** problem. A lot of the crime around here is committed by people that are not from here and do not belong here. The homeless trash and pollute everywhere they go and refuse any kind of real help to make their lives better.

OkDiscussion9395 t1_j50xvbu wrote on January 19, 2023 at 5:12 PM

I am not going to downvote that, because I was following until your last statement. I don't blame the homeless for the problems. I have had a naked homeless kid break into 3 of my cars within a month. I refuse to make the blanket statement "homeless because that is the f****** problem". I would be willing to go out on a limb, without any research, and say that I think crime committed by people with dwellings outnumber the crime of those without by over 200%. I would love to see the data.

MotherofaPickle t1_j50u4a2 wrote on January 19, 2023 at 4:49 PM

I would say north of Division, but Walnut to Division isn’t terrific in places either. (Lived there for five years.)

Numerous-Mix-9775 t1_j519ziz wrote on January 19, 2023 at 6:24 PM

Yeah, there is a lot of patchiness in between. There are some nice neighborhoods (around the OTC area isn’t bad) and some not-so-nice (stuff off of Grant can get dicey). Some of the houses in the Cox North area are quite nice, you get the beautiful old houses on Benton/Jefferson, but then if something is empty longer than a week, you’ve got a decent chance of someone breaking a window and squatting.

Used to do pharmaceutical deliveries and there were definitely neighborhoods in Springfield where I tried to make sure all the rest of my deliveries weren’t very visible in the car, especially if I had to go into an apartment or something. I also made sure if I had anything north I was going in the daylight.

MotherofaPickle t1_j5pw2w8 wrote on January 24, 2023 at 7:10 PM

I call it a “checkerboard town”. One block is great; next one, not so great.