Submitted by CurtisLeow t3_yde4ds in space
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majaha95 t1_its21el wrote
Next century, we'll get good at hiding in our caves from mutants and the toxic air outside.
skubaloob t1_its5gf3 wrote
Those of you who don’t plan on mutating due to the air. It just seems easier, honestly.
5Gmeme t1_itscdlk wrote
Urge to wear loincloth rising...
Mcdrogon t1_itt2r3x wrote
my loin cloth is rising just thinking about it.
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SyntheticSlime t1_itstdxw wrote
Me, already wearing a lion cloth: I told you they’d make a comeback!
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ImNoAlbertFeinstein t1_itt89e1 wrote
uh, there are mutants in the caves.
pbradley179 t1_itulepx wrote
Haha! My plan to not contribute to my 401K is paying off!
SandmantheMofo t1_ituvbq7 wrote
A set of lungs with some toxin filters built in would be a good mutation
Superb-Ad9949 t1_itzt1xr wrote
But at least Ukraine will be free
magicwuff t1_itt7dz2 wrote
Next century, AI decides we are the pollutants.
welchplug t1_itu98r5 wrote
Next century, AI decides notices we are the pollutants
SandmantheMofo t1_ituyee0 wrote
The root cause of it all anyways, need it to notice before next century though.
DanBentley t1_itsyyp1 wrote
This is well said, and my genuine hope
Arthurs-towel42 t1_itrury9 wrote
Nice. The upgrades on this technology is helpful. To be able to pinpoint with more accuracy main offenders (not that it will make a difference to some) but to also monitor naturally occurring methane. As surface changes like permafrost melting, bogs, natural habit destruction, hopefully it can map out & collect that data too. What a useful system.
bunghoe t1_itsx6ks wrote
Amen. Now let’s see how long before it gets taken down due to the outrage and theatrics this causes.
JUYED-AWK-YACC t1_ittmkxd wrote
NASA can publish the data, any nation that doesn’t like it will ignore and deny it.
Arthurs-towel42 t1_ittnwh1 wrote
True, as they already ignore it.
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Arthurs-towel42 t1_itt57ho wrote
Let them try, hopefully NASA has sunk a lot of money into this and doesn't bend over to geopolitics. Well I hope anyway.
Glutz-43 t1_ittkuyf wrote
Are we sure it’s naturally occurring or are there just a lot of Taco Bells in that area?
u9Nails t1_itruvsd wrote
That's really impressive that they can see methane from satellite.
cynical_gramps t1_its8dwx wrote
I mean you can detect it on planets in other solar systems
StaysAwakeAllWeek t1_itsr6oz wrote
The impressive thing here is the extreme sensitivity and resolution. They are measuring in the parts per million range with resolutions of tens of metres
rsn_e_o t1_itudrz4 wrote
Yeah it’s crazy where technology can lead us. A tiny box in space can just map these vast amounts of data out like it’s nothing
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hihcadore t1_itt99zd wrote
Pretty sure that means my house (specifically bedroom) probably lights up like a Christmas tree at night
Coolguy123456789012 t1_ittdiiz wrote
Hahaha fart jokes always get me.
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SheDidWhaaaat t1_itthl99 wrote
This must be over my husband's gaming room
audiobone t1_ittmzuw wrote
Was waiting for a comment like this. Thank you, it was a gas.
wdwerker t1_itsfemp wrote
Poorly capped oil wells are a contributor. Apparently there are thousands of them that companies sell off to a shell that goes bankrupt to avoid the responsibility.
Just_wanna_talk t1_ittouik wrote
I've always felt we need some sort of company insurance system to pay for oil gas and mining operations.
Have a company pay a yearly fee in order to extract minerals or oil and gas which goes into a fund and when they close operations and can prove everything has been done correctly they get half of whatever they paid into the fund back. The other half remains in the fund.
If they do not close down operations correctly or they go bankrupt and cannot, the funds can be used to do it for them. It could also be used to clean up environmental disasters like oil spills in the ocean or tailings pond breaches from mines, etc.
but-imnotadoctor t1_ittz6x9 wrote
But that make profit small. Small profit bad. Big profit good.
Honestly, this is a brilliant idea. That's how I know it will never happen.
Phoenix4264 t1_itusbur wrote
That is essentially what CERCLA (The Comprehensive Response, Compensation, and Liability Act of 1980), better known as Superfund, is supposed to be. It was originally funded by a tax on the chemical and petroleum industries. The tax was never high enough, and in 1995 it expired and was funded from the general funds after that. The tax was reinstated in 2021.
TheReal-JoJo103 t1_ituuul7 wrote
This is how they fund decommissioning wind/solar so they can't just go bankrupt. Either through an account held by a third party or through performance bonds. Granted decommissioning a wind/solar farm is far easier since they aren't releasing hard to trace gasses or hiding issues underground that can well up decades later.
saposmak t1_itt7imq wrote
A Shell, you say?
Blue-cheese-dressing t1_ittcr8r wrote
This really makes my BP go up.
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wdwerker t1_itt81jc wrote
Shell companies used to hide their ownership.
saposmak t1_itt8t4j wrote
Heh, I get it, just making a silly joke.
RaiderMan1 t1_ittzog5 wrote
The bankruptcy part is not real common. Working in the industry, I know a few companies with that rep, but they’re rare. Now why do the courts pay execs of these companies millions to “steer the company out of bankruptcy”? I have not idea.
alwaysadmiring t1_itvv1e0 wrote
Oil and gas companies that are newly being created in Alberta from what I understand require a deposit to be paid upfront for the wells they plan to drill to cover expenses should they Need to reclaim The wells to a safe environment. What this forces is basically no shell companies being created to simply take all the liability and no actual actions.
Also wanted to mention I’ve used aerial surveillance vendors on more local scales to fly across all the oil and gas properties across AB and SK that use FLIR and gas leak detection technology to indicate to us GPS coordinates where they noticed CH4 (methane) higher than 2 PPM (baseline). I’m not sure what the satellite technology costs will be but certainly technology that is very useful And already being used to ensure we minimize leaks where possible !
wdwerker t1_itvx228 wrote
Good idea going forward but still closing the barn after they all escaped.
TakeCareOfYourM0ther t1_itv3x0v wrote
Good old oil companies. Fucking our future over since 200 years ago.
aotus_trivirgatus t1_ittrwia wrote
"This image shows a methane plume 2 miles (3 kilometers) long detected southeast of Carlsbad, New Mexico."
I have driven through this area. Methane is odorless. There's more than methane in the air in those parts. Something you can definitely smell, something sulfurous.
didgeridoodady t1_ittuj75 wrote
you mean hydrogen sulfide?
aotus_trivirgatus t1_itv6jj2 wrote
I would assume it's H2S, but I couldn't know for sure.
80rexij t1_itum8pu wrote
I have a friend in New Mexico who I've visited twice on road trips. Both times, I only stayed a single night and by morning I had horrible nausea that took a couple days to go away. There's a constant heavy smell of oil, I'm pretty sure that's what was making me sick. There's got to be some long term health issues for everyone who lives there. There's no way it's healthy.
crazydr13 t1_itujweo wrote
Raw natural gas is often “sour” (has a bunch of sulfur). NG is desulfurized to make it “sweet.” You could absolutely be smelling co-emitted sulfur species
phiz36 t1_itrrfkg wrote
Russian permafrost thawing should be a big one.
olsoni18 t1_itt9jyu wrote
Would love to see an image of NordStream
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Arthurs-towel42 t1_ittnp44 wrote
That's the ones I'm thinking of. The Siberian craters & methane explosions due to permafrost melting would be amazing to monitor.
Jzerious t1_ittuqzb wrote
Amazing as in catastrophic right ?
Arthurs-towel42 t1_itw6kuo wrote
Catastrophic? Yeh I would 100% agree with that. Amazing as in technology can precisely register it & observe.
StellarSkyFall t1_itu62y3 wrote
Ah yes the great Burp theory.
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Green__lightning t1_ituv2z3 wrote
So what can be done about that? And is there anything that can be done about it in the case of somewhere like Russia where the melting is otherwise advantageous?
phiz36 t1_itv6hcb wrote
No clue. Seems like nothing can be done unless it magically stops thawing.
alstergee t1_ittikxc wrote
Now to untie the hands of the EPA / international environmental agency watchdogs and put a grinding halt to mega polluters around the globe.
-Jerbear45- t1_ituu2pa wrote
The worst part of it all is that for 99.9% of companies the EPA is relatively harmless. If they find a violation their goal is to help you fix the issue, not permanently shut you down. If they do harm the oil companies I think most people wouldn't care too much.
alstergee t1_itx6im3 wrote
Theyve made nothing but record breaking profits every single year for decades off our backs with artificial price inflation so yeah they can suck a 100 billion dollar fine per incident down with zero pain to anything but their overinflated sense of self worth and egos
Shodan30 t1_its9ehh wrote
Dude, so I had Popeyes chicken that night.. didn’t have to call me out..
FuckRandyMoss t1_itssgwr wrote
Ahhhh yes now we will be able to detect what companies are polluting and do absolutely nothing with that information lmfao
Lex8P t1_itrnuhv wrote
I knew my farts were impressive... They found me!
666pool t1_itst917 wrote
Are you a cow? Humans produce hydrogen sulfate. Cows produce methane.
carbonated_iron t1_itsvd86 wrote
Hydrogen sulfate is sulfuric acid…
bwpopper37 t1_itt2p2p wrote
That explains the holes in my shorts.
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CuttyAllgood t1_ittjoj1 wrote
Not exactly, right? It’s a salt of sulfuric acid, so it only becomes sulfuric acid when dissolved in a solution.
Which is why all of my wet farts burn so badly.
Lex8P t1_itto833 wrote
So this explains why my chair smells so bad and has a hole in it
BullMoose86 t1_ituqzov wrote
Wait….is this the actual reason for the burn?
Understitious t1_itttmvw wrote
There's a good article about fart gas composition on Chemistry World (you can google it yourself so I don't get banned for posting a link). Anyways, turns out around a third of us DO produce methane. So yes, some of us are indeed cows. Also, our farts often contain tiny amounts of hydrogen sulfIDE (H2S) but not H2SO4, unless you're making some seriously questionable dietary choices.
Fun facts about H2S:
- you can smell it at <1ppm
- above 20 ppm can cause airway irritation and shortness of breath
- above 100 ppm is considered immediately dangerous to life and health
- around 150 ppm you actually stop smelling it after a while. Your sensory system gets so fatigued by the constant stimulation it just peaces out.
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ForksandSpoonsinNY t1_ittg5e8 wrote
Well it is Taco Bell Tuesday.
TB_tossout t1_itsh52h wrote
Neat. Too bad nobody will do anything about it.
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Rocket3431 t1_itsrnjf wrote
The image in Carlsbad NM is just an old oil/gas well site. I wonder if its supposed to be flaring and the flames out. That or its got one hell of a leak.
SolidDiarrhea t1_ittzc5h wrote
The rainbow of colors shows an extrapolation of data. There is a part of the article that explains it.
IntravenousDrugs t1_itt7g08 wrote
Why don't they map China, India, Brazil and Russia? It's a big fat zero over what we presume are the most of the most serious emitters.
brennenderopa t1_ittj29v wrote
So we do not start at all and resign to "well the earth is fucked anyway"? I think this is a weak argument, the moment they start with Brazil, anyone could argue "Why not start in the US?"
_craq_ t1_itty4qi wrote
The largest concentrated sources of methane emissions are fossil fuel extractors. Fracking in the USA, oil in the middle east, oil & gas in Russia. I wouldn't expect China, India or Brazil to be among the worst offenders. Of course, they have high greenhouse gas emissions too. China and India still burn a lot of coal. Brazil has a high rate of deforestation.
BafangFan t1_itsncci wrote
Any mention of cow farms as significant emitters via this technology?
Archangel1313 t1_ittcqka wrote
There's really no comparison. These leaks are pumping thousands of tons of methane directly into the atmosphere every day, and there are a lot of them around the world. No matter how many cow farts you count, it's a drop in the bucket compared to shit like this.
sithelephant t1_itua5up wrote
Agriculture releases around 150 million tons of methane a year into the environment, or half a million tons a day.
Of this, a hundred million tons comes from cow farms. https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rsta.2020.0451
WhiteLightning416 t1_ituqtzp wrote
This is just factually wrong.
somedave t1_ittvm0z wrote
Cows tend to be more spread out than waste disposal units or oilfields.
Cows and Rice paddies are big emitters because we have so many of them.
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sithelephant t1_itua7dz wrote
Agriculture releases around 150 million tons of methane a year into the environment, or half a million tons a day.
Of this, a hundred million tons comes from cow farms. https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rsta.2020.0451
hu-kers-newhey t1_itu80a7 wrote
I’m really interested in seeing what New Zealand looks like with EMIT mapping.
There’s a huge push here talking about how our dairy farming is bad for methane but I’d be curious to know if this machine picks it up vs a standard landfill.
Ben_B_Allen t1_itvhj3e wrote
Farming emissions are way too low for this satellite.
mysticalfruit t1_its05d1 wrote
Looks up my address... I knew my taco bell habit was hurting the environment!!
V3ndeTTaLord t1_itunncf wrote
Good, now fine them until they improve the situation because I payed fucking 200 euro because I accidentally drove 1 minute in a low emission zone.
Riley_Cooper_SC t1_itur9bi wrote
They will never pay a fine. We all know that.
Ben_B_Allen t1_itvhanh wrote
Geophysicist in this field here. The detection threshold of this satellite is really bad, several tons per hour. GHGSat can detect 100 kg/h ! There is also public satellites that can do better.
anotherhumanperson t1_itvltqx wrote
This is why you fund NASA’s earth science division. While you all applaud spaceX (a glorified transportation company) and celebrate lunar&Martian space bases (pure hubris),these other less sexy divisions are trying to literally save our dying planet from this slow motion extinction. We need a giant shift priorities.
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TheDoon t1_ittxztp wrote
I saw we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit...it's the only way to be sure. :)
SolidDiarrhea t1_ittz0bd wrote
Makes sense why a certain group didn't want to keep NASA funded.
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Harry-Gato t1_ituf0b2 wrote
Can methane be trapped and used as fuel to generate energy?
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itsaname123456789 t1_ituz872 wrote
Here's the interactive map with data that I could find.
Its really slow so I turned several layers off before trying to move the map location.
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IamRasters t1_itw297q wrote
Name and shame. Let the internets sleuths track these corporations down and give them the heat that they’re doling out on everyone.
zwickthegreat t1_itwaqog wrote
I'm so glad, that I have invested my money in hybrid car so I save the planet! 😂😂
Crenshawd t1_itwgfyo wrote
Looks like the well pad that the plume is originating from is very old. Imagery going back to 1985 still shows it there with grass growing onto the pad even then. This is an old legacy well/battery that was built before anyone in the industry had even an ounce of care about it I imagine. On top of that the facility probably has fallen into disrepair for all we know.
Strange thing is I was just on a well pad that is shown in this image like a month ago. Weird to know that I was just sitting in a cloud of methane likely.
rocketsocks t1_itwvi1k wrote
Atmospheric methane is responsible for about a quarter of the current level of unnatural warming we are experiencing, which the impact of climate change forward by several years to decades compared to the timeline we'd be on with just CO2 emissions. So this is a very important part of the mess we are in right now, especially if methane emissions continue to rise.
RageFurnace404 t1_its0ft0 wrote
If any of these are private companies, shut them down immediately.
Hopsblues t1_its5kfv wrote
Well, give them a chance to address the issue.
donkeylipsh t1_its7seq wrote
Depends. If these are existing regulations that they've failed to comply with, then they already had their chance.
ZHammerhead71 t1_itsw0cp wrote
Oh? You failed your smog test on your car? To jail with you. Auction the car. You failed to comply with the existing regulations, you had your chance.
but-imnotadoctor t1_ittzo6r wrote
Was I criminally negligent in modifying my car? Did I intentionally ignore a clear problem, or do a piss poor job managing it? What if I totally absolve myself by selling my car with a known problem to a separate legal entity from myself, that's still under my control, and have that legal entity declare bankruptcy so I don't suffer any of the penalties?
What a fucking straw man argument.
Naschen t1_itu17bt wrote
More like your car is missing parts that it should have on it and you've been avoiding getting it tested for years.
SirCrankStankthe3rd t1_ittpxgi wrote
Millions of metric tons of difference here, you fucking abysmal goon
Alpine_Z28 t1_itsh22c wrote
So you're going to give nationalized methane polluters a pass?
juan2141 t1_itt4htb wrote
Maybe just fine them and give them a chance fix the problem.
Alpine_Z28 t1_ittdex3 wrote
Yeah good luck getting the likes of China, India and Saudi Arabia to pay up for that 😂
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9babydill t1_ittduod wrote
>According to the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), landfill gas (LFG) comprises 17.7 percent of all U.S. methane emissions. Landfill methane in 2011 accounted for 103 million metric tonnes of carbon equivalent released into the atmosphere. Methane is a short-lived climate pollutant with significant warming potential, and over a 20 year period, one ton of methane causes 72 times more warming than one ton of carbon dioxide (CO2).
do you compost your food instead of contributing to methane release in landfills?
RageFurnace404 t1_ituwks9 wrote
I do compost my food waste, yes. I also make sure to purchase as little single-use plastic as possible, and re-use plastic containers as much as possible (I have a whole cabinet just for leftover boxes I've saved. Use them for gifts and storing small items around the house).
How much food does ConAgra waste in a given day I wonder that doesn't go to landfills, hmmm? Any other stupid questions you want to ask?
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Maybe the USA
Robeditor t1_ittr4mx wrote
I can explain.... See, I went to taco bell earlier and...
Archangel1313 t1_ittch0o wrote
And vegans still want us to believe that cow farts are the problem?
janojyys t1_ittqm6e wrote
27% of US methane came from cattle and another 9% from manure. 32% from natural gas/petroleum systems. So yes cows are a problem (not to mention all the other massive environmental problems of animal production)
https://www.epa.gov/ghgemissions/overview-greenhouse-gases#methane
Archangel1313 t1_ittvf3x wrote
Cows produce less than 2% of the total annual global greenhouse gas emissions.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8567486/
It just sounds worse when you put it in percentages of a percentage. When put in perspective, it's a drop in the bucket. This is classic misdirection. The fossil fuel industry would love it if we wasted our time going after the meat industry instead of them.
janojyys t1_ituqk2k wrote
Depending on the source, roughly 1/3 or 1/4th of global ghg emissions come from food of which the majority come from agriculture and land use for agriculture (of which the majority is cattle).
There honestly isn't much to debate here. I'm not trying to downplay fossile fuel industry emissions but food is equally as important even if it conflicts with your meat eating.
RedLotusVenom t1_ituvyu1 wrote
Methane is a 100 times worse greenhouse effect than CO2 though, so that 2% has a much higher impact than you’re representing. And guess what? If we stop breeding them, that 2% disappears. Not to mention the emissions from growing food just to feed them.
But you can’t live without steak I guess, so go off
marklein t1_ittfnbp wrote
When you're burning the planet to the ground you address ALL the problems.
Archangel1313 t1_ittfv78 wrote
No...you tackle the biggest problems first, then mop up the small ones once you've stabilized the situation. That's triage.
marklein t1_ittkdvt wrote
Triage exists to prioritize action when faced with less labor than is needed for a crisis. Triage is not needed to address global warming because we have the people necessary to address all causes. Yes, definitely address the biggest items ASAP, but those have no bearing on addressing all the other causes.
Archangel1313 t1_ittldgk wrote
Wut? Are you seriously saying we have time to fuck around with this? We aren't even coming close to addressing the largest contributor to global warming...we're too busy banning plastic straws, and complaining about cow farts.
Methane from cows totals about 2% of our total global emissions. Burning fossil fuels for energy equals about 70%. These campaigns to shift the priorities to the smaller contributors is exactly what the fossil fuel industry wants. It's a joke that people keep falling for the same trick over and over again.
but-imnotadoctor t1_ittzsgx wrote
Source on your percentages?
sithelephant t1_ituas5p wrote
He's forgetting to multiply the methane emissions by their impact.
https://www.epa.gov/ghgemissions/overview-greenhouse-gases#methane
'Methane's lifetime in the atmosphere is much shorter than carbon dioxide (CO2), but CH4 is more efficient at trapping radiation than CO2. Pound for pound, the comparative impact of CH4 is 25 times greater than CO2 over a 100-year period.1
sithelephant t1_ituao17 wrote
You have to multiply that 2% by the effectiveness at causing global warming, to get more like an seventh than a fiftieth.
https://www.epa.gov/ghgemissions/overview-greenhouse-gases#methane
kaba40k t1_itthdwp wrote
To be fair, nothing in the article suggested that these emissions contribute more than the cows.
The second thought is that these emissions are not purely "problems to address", they are negative side effects of some positive effect (just like the farm cows emissions are). So the process imo would less resemble medical triage, and more resemble a budget balancing exercise, where you need to take a little bit from here and a little bit from there, as it won't be possible to just eliminate all factories or all cows.
lan69 t1_ittynyc wrote
It’s not just cow farts. It’s also the fact you’re using oil/gas to grow crops for these animals, house them and ship them. There’s a whole lot of energy and land being used to raise livestock. But whatever you like your strawman
-eXnihilo t1_ittiwkq wrote
Great PR and Free Fuel! Capture this stuff, u/ElonMuskOfficial With everyone making methane engines, secure your fuel sources! Also good for the environment, this stuff should be burned.
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Shut them down immediately like with the full force of a military or something this is fucking ridiculous
sumelar t1_ittoycz wrote
Yeah don't bother to find out why they exist or whether what they're doing could even be done better with current tech, just go with a knee jerk reaction like an idiot.
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Imagine defending one of the fifty worst polluters lmfao. “Be nice to them! Think of how we could continue to enable them 🥹”
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theranchhand t1_itrs110 wrote
Last century, we got good at cracking down on polluters releasing visible pollutants into the environment.
This century, we'll get good at cracking down on invisible pollutants.