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[deleted] OP t1_j63oof1 wrote

Reply to comment by beezlebub33 in Asking here and not on an artist subreddit because you guys are non-artists who love AI and I don't want to get coddled. Genuinely, is there any point in continuing to make art when everything artists could ever do will be fundamentally replaceable in a few years? by [deleted]

Because it’s still humans doing both the painting and photography. Digital art is the same medium as what’s being generated by AI. It’s not a new set of tools, it’s firing the carpenter. The person putting the prompts in is less comparable to an artist than a person ordering a commission. The person who does the commissioning is not the artist, the person who created the art is. And again I said painting survived because it does things photography cannot, can you name one thing human artists will be able to do that AI can’t? If anyone is dismissing instead of engaging it’s you.

Okay, you think it’s a tool, pretty much every single established artist online disagrees with you and is mad at this. I’m assuming you are not an artist so maybe listen to the people that this is affecting instead of just repeating naive platitudes

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alexiuss t1_j64dwde wrote

> Okay, you think it’s a tool, pretty much every single established artist online disagrees with you and is mad at this.

Nah, dawg. SOME established artists are screaming the loudest on twitter and getting many retweets cus AI is scary and confusing.

Established illustrators like myself have already adapted AI into their workflow and are staying quiet, making new art 10 times faster.

>can you name one thing human artists will be able to do that AI can’t

By using AI the artist is sacrificing control over the final product. More AI use = less control.

It’s NOT taking creativity out of human hands, its making drawing some specific stuff easier and faster to do.

The perfect combo is AI + experienced human artist who guides it. Anything else is almost utterly useless for getting commissions done because (a) AI can't draw tons of stuff at all as its not god and (b) AIs have no rights. Good luck copyrighting an image made 100% by an AI without human guidance.

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[deleted] OP t1_j64e7jw wrote

Hopefully you’re getting paid 10 times less to match otherwise you’re essentially scamming people by presenting work that’s not your own

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alexiuss t1_j64f89f wrote

1)I'm getting paid 10 times more or the same because I'm not a complete idiot who lowers market price for projects that are tough. I reach far, far beyond the boundary of what AIs and artists can do.

2)It is my own work because I've trained my own AI on my own art, you tit. I spend 20 years gathering data for my AI and been desinging it since stable diffusion came out.

I don't sacrifice my creative control to the AI because doing that would leave my work uncopyrighted and generic. I sketch and guide my custom-made AI every step of the way, so each drawing takes the same amount of time as if I was doing it by hand, BUT its 100 times as detailed due to how custom SD upscaler tools work.

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[deleted] OP t1_j64fju1 wrote

That’s not what 99.9999999999% of people who make AI art are doing and isn’t even the point of image generation. In the next couple years no one is gonna commission you for jack shite because established artist input will not be needed at all. Enjoy your quick and temporary cash though. Also you seem to have some serious ego delusions and seem like a generally unpleasant person. Using AI shortcuts doesn’t make you some sort of cyborg-super artist

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alexiuss t1_j64h5m3 wrote

>That’s not what 99.9999999999% of people who make AI art are doing and isn’t even the point of image generation

Exactly! Why would I do what 99.9999999999% of people are doing? That's how you don't get paid! The key to getting paid is to stay ahead of everyone, be the 0.000001% who can do impossible things.

>Also it still isn’t your work because you didn’t manually create it lol.

I did manually create it, fool. I don't use the 4 second generators that ouput generic, random useless art. My AI assists me on upscaling and minor detail and concept development, it doesn't replace me at all. It helps complete parts that are impossible to do as a human because they're too time consuming.

>In the next couple years no one is gonna commission you because artist input will not be needed at all.

Absolute Luddite nonsense, you're just spouting a doomsday theory akin to the 2012 prediction without realizing it.

I design AI models, I can't be fired because my AI systems are superior to the corporate, censored garbage. Point me to a single multi-million corporate AI that can draw a human butt, go head. They don't fucking exist!

Artists who use AIs cannot be fired because they reach far beyond limits of human and generic corporate AI powers.

We don't actually know how or when or if the AI will be able to overcome fractal nature of problem like drawing fingers properly.If 100% finger stabilization is somehow achieved I'll simply move onto making animations.

If animation stabilization is 100% achieved, I'll move onto designing limitless game worlds - the more AI can do the more I can do as art director.

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[deleted] OP t1_j64hpm8 wrote

Can you calm down little dude? Congrats on your personal artbot but this conversation isn’t about you and how much of a radical cyber pioneer you think you are. It IS about those “4 second generators” and the massive impact they’re having on artists’ livelihood. Not everyone is an enlightened tech god on your level who can just copy your incredible trailblazing.

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alexiuss t1_j64ihrd wrote

Artists have three choices now:

  1. produce things AI cant possibly do - oil painting, sculpture, literally any art medium that's not 2d digital painting and sell this art in space where the AI isn't present. [stepping back to truly traditional art]
  2. ignore ais and maybe get crushed out of the market by artists who adopted AIs into their workflow [2012 prediction territory of how bad it will get, depends entirely on how laws will change]
  3. use ais and get more done and do the jobs that were IMPOSSIBLE to do before and get paid more [trailblazing]
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[deleted] OP t1_j64jkne wrote

And 4. End up lacking commissions entirely because the EXPLICIT end goal of AI art is to generate whatever people want for free and artists who stick their fingers in their ears and naively call basic, stated cause and effect future predictions a “doomsday prophecy”. “Nah, technology will just magically stop progressing before it affects me negatively”. Though with you you’ll probably alienate all your clients with your completely insufferable personality and ego long before that happens.

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alexiuss t1_j64kn68 wrote

Utter Nonsense!

a) Nothing AI produces is copyrighted. Studios and clients need copyright ownership, the AI can't sign a work for hire contract to pass ownership of product that they can resell LEGALLY.

Current Laws would have to totally change for commissions to vanish.

b) AIs have limits. The more corporate AI is the more limits it has and the less things it can draw.

Dude you clearly have no idea how AI works and it seems like you don't even know how to make money as illustrator, so shut the fuck up. It's like you've never signed a contract with a client before nor signed a contract with a company to do work for hire.

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[deleted] OP t1_j64loqi wrote

Genuinely shut up, you are an asshole who has completely derailed this topic by introducing name calling and contributed nothing to the topic but bragging about how much of a pioneer you think you are and shouting “Hogwash!” at people pointing out the obvious developments of this field a few years down the line. You remind me of people who were going “people would NEVER use AI art in published creative projects, it will never be good enough” a few months ago. It's cool you're exploiting a temporary weakness in the technology to get your pictures made faster but in a few years why the fuck would anybody ever pay you a dime to make anything when they can generate anything they want in your style instantly? Sooner or later whether you want to believe it or not you're going to end up as one of those "Luddites" who you plug your ears and resort to name calling and thought terminating cliches to ignore.

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