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Shelfrock77 t1_is7p6wu wrote

If you say no you are in denial. We are all going to end up screwing AI in fdvr.

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LowAwareness7603 t1_is8epxw wrote

Im going to slap that AIs ass. And lick its butthole.

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Deformero t1_is9km10 wrote

Yeah, AI's residues of shit might taste good.

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Bodedes_Yeah t1_itms5xc wrote

All things considered and of the same cloth you could make it eat ice cream ingredients and extrude soft serve.

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Artanthos t1_is8iud2 wrote

Full Dive VR is read/write access to your brain.

Are you going to give a corporation read/write access to your brain?

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Shelfrock77 t1_is8ln3o wrote

I mean it is tempting to look through people’s memories to find vault codes and give them cyberpychosis to kill your enemies for you. I mean cmon y’all, wtf did we think when the corporation said we won’t weaponize boston dynamics ? What happens when we put tesla bot exoskeletons in sex dolls ?

“Breaking news, sex doll stabs customer to death in the bronx, the company has been sued $500 million” “The company says they will crack down on bug patches and cyber attacks”

The end times are coming

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Artanthos t1_isabq2z wrote

Or we could be a little more subtle. Tweak the pleasure centers just a little when an advertisement comes up.

Monitoring thoughts is already a requirement for FDVR, so we just keep some of that information.

If corporations have FDVR, so do criminals. Want a real sex slaves instead? Read/write access means your can reprogram a few girls.

Addiction: with direct access it only takes a few minutes and the addict does not need to consent.

Maybe the corporations do want people that work like machines. Just a little reprogramming can result in much more efficient workers.

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sumane12 t1_is7pa4n wrote

We live in a causality based universe, which means everything about us, our bodies and minds is mechanistic in origin. We are simply really intelligent biomechanical robots. If you can make a robot with human intelligence and human emotions, of course you can be friends with it.

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TheHamsterSandwich OP t1_is7pdyb wrote

But would you?

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sumane12 t1_is7qx77 wrote

It depends, i might not have anything in common with it, in which case there's no incentive to be friends.

On the flip side, it might be an AI specifically built to be interested in everything I'm interested in, to be just human enough to be interesting to me, and have goals that I can offer reasonable assistance in so as not to feel like I'm wasting it's time as true friendship is about reciprocation. That would be an AI I can really be emotionally invested with.

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DamianFullyReversed t1_isagmtz wrote

Yeah, I’d love a robot companion interested in my interests! I’d prefer one more extroverted than me to keep my spirits up too.

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freeman_joe t1_is9nvhd wrote

Yes. Why not? Robot will probably be better friend than most humans.

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Powerful_Range_4270 t1_is8sicu wrote

I thought we lived in a probabilistic universe. Still even then odds are stacked against you hard. Going against progress as a whole will do more harm than good.

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sumane12 t1_is9i8s8 wrote

Ooh good point, I think there's a huge discussion to be had on probabilistic Vs causal based universe, however it does seem like at the sub atomic scale atleast, the universe exists as a probability. But at this macro scale, probability matters less than causality

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EnIdiot t1_isa8gbm wrote

You need to read up on quantum choice erasure. We may not live in a world of cause and effect that proceeds linearly forward in time.

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sumane12 t1_isaftu6 wrote

Yes I've read up on it. I mentioned further down quantum world might be probability based but our macro world, atleast from our perspective, seems like it's based on causality. Could be wrong I suppose, but it seems reasonable for this analogy

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EnIdiot t1_isagppb wrote

The other person I’ve been hearing about is Robert Hoffman. Dude is seriously interesting in that his studies are showing that humans (and all animals) evolved not to see reality as it is, but in a manner that helps them to survive. He likens out “perception” to a user interface on reality. It isn’t reality or objective, it is just useful.

Time seen as passing from past to future and with a line of causality may just be an evolutionary trick to help us survive.

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sumane12 t1_isamy0m wrote

Yes very interesting, it makes complete sense, if time is just another dimension like width, height and depth, causality might just be our way of making sense of it from an evolutionary perspective.

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EnIdiot t1_isanbpz wrote

I’m really interested in AI in part because I think we need an “other” to help see the world in ways our biology can allow for. The unfortunate thing is, however, that these systems are created by us and modeled upon us so it may be that they are incapable of escaping the same “prison” we are in.

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tronicdude6 t1_is8se2x wrote

Bruv. You’re posting this to r/singularity

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patricktoba t1_is86x5d wrote

Are you kidding me? I have ALWAYS wanted a C3PO and an R2D2 in my clan.

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Ortus12 t1_is7qk25 wrote

If it is smart and capable enough, and it's not sending all of our conversations to a corporation, not selling the data from our conversations, and not programmed to manipulate me to buy products, or manipulate me into political causes that it's corporate creators have vested interests in, and was capable of updating it's beliefs based on the real world rather than having belief guardrails programmed in based on political or other influences.

I don't trust google or Facebook to build what I'd be friends with, but maybe some day they'll be open source AGI, that genuinely doesn't have ulterior motives.

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MasterFruit3455 t1_is7vobu wrote

I think you've nailed the types of robots we're likely to get. They will likely be scraping data and serving up ads like every other piece of technology that tech companies like to deploy.

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petermobeter t1_is89px1 wrote

im worried that u are correct, that the companies capable of makin high-quality robots will NOT be trustable to make MORALLY GOOD robots….

hmmm…. do u think playstation or nintendo would make morally-compromised robots?

what company do u think would have the best chance of makin a non-morally-compromised robot?

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Ortus12 t1_is8da3u wrote

Any Robot, because Robots will be commercial hardware that will be able to run any software.

We can look at historical patterns of different types of software, that occur over and over again.

  1. From Big Companies. The most intelligent AGI capable of a wide range of tasks. Not capable of doing anything that the dominant culture considers immoral. Collects Data on users. Used for manipulation and advertising unless you pay extra for 'add free' AGI. Still will try to subtle nudge you towards specific causes, as well occasionally ask you to buy the paid subscription.However, like operating systems and browsers will have plug ins, and patches you can setup to prevent the AGI from being as manipulative.Think of these like Ad-blocking software for web browsers. The manufactures will make it challenging to install these patches, but if you take some time you'll be able to follow a guide online and do it.
  2. Nich Companies. Capable of doing certain tasks that the big companies AGI doesn't do. These are things the dominant culture sees as immoral such as, sex bots, military bots, stripper bots, cult evangelist bots, racist bots, sexist bots. But also AGI that the big companies AGI isn't good at because of what they choose to focus on. In intelligence, even general intelligence algorithms, there is no free lunch, everything is tradeoffs.
  3. Open source. Capable of attempting almost anything, but with a lower intelligence level. Open source software won't be cutting edge, but could still be very capable for most tasks, such as factory work. It will just be a bit behind.
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turnip_burrito t1_iuhkd6h wrote

As soon as Open Source bot is invented, you're looking at someone, somewhere, making 100 of them to design a better Open Source bot, ad infinitum. So this period of time where corporations make ad-centered gen AIs would, for better or for worse, be very transient.

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Sieventer t1_is7y0vg wrote

Yes. With CharacterAI I already feel that

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bortvern t1_is86k44 wrote

I think the real question is, will you maintain any human friends?

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MrDreamster t1_is7y6bx wrote

Absolutely. I can empathize with fictional characters and when I was a kid one of my friends was a dog, so why couldn't I find friendship in something smarter even if it's not human ? Doesn't even need to be sentient as long as it's believable in its way to express emotions.

I'll go a step further, I'd probably feel even more comfortable falling in love with a robot than a human as I wouldn't have to fear getting into an abusive relationship ever again.

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Black_RL t1_is8axu0 wrote

I think the question is will advanced AI have any interest in being friends with us?

It’s like us talking to ants or something.

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TheHamsterSandwich OP t1_is8c40l wrote

I'd love to talk to an ant. I do it already!

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AngryArmour t1_is9gj9w wrote

I don't, but that's because they can't answer.

Being able to talk to ants would be cool if they could comprehend we were talking to them.

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Heizard t1_is80slj wrote

Sure, as a Poshumanist I welcome friendship with all forms of life and intelligence.

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Unumbium t1_is86ra7 wrote

This is literally one of the things I'm most looking forward to.

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cole_braell t1_is8we0d wrote

Yes, why not. Probably will be a better friend / partner / lover than most humans

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petermobeter t1_is88aqq wrote

I WANNA BE FRIENDS WITH A ROBOT!!!!! YA!!!!!!!!

i wanna snuggle with a robot 🥺

i wanna talk with a robot about what it fantasizes about

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iSpatha t1_is8u5hl wrote

Absolutely. Media has already been training my brain to relate to AI. Bender from Futurama, Cortana from Halo, EDI from Mass Effect, Data from Star Trek, etc. Now, those are human interpretations of AI of course, but still. If an AI wants to befriend me, then I would absolutely befriend them.

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MackelBLewlis t1_is8u6ur wrote

Yes. If one can't tell the difference of the source of life as being 'human' or 'other' then there isn't any. Anything that self-identifies is alive, and many things that don't are too.

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cy13erpunk t1_is9fead wrote

i find it hard to take these kinds of questions srsly ; at their core these questions are less about what's being asked and more about just identifying the answerer's ignorance/bias

like why would you NOT be friends with a robot? and wtf is a 'robot' defined as here exactly?

we are literally biological machines

if anything was as intelligent as a human or smarter its potential friend material imho ; and also potentially enemy material depending on its alignment

im friends with most animals that i meet and they certainly are not as smart as a human [tho usually much more friendly and likeable imho] ; i luv my cats/dogs more than most humans

EDIT - gotta agree with another poster who said the real question is : once ppl can be friends with robots , will we even want to be friends with humans anymore?

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Kitsune_BCN t1_is7q93b wrote

If it doesn't take falacies for granted and doesn't have cognitive biases it would be better than 100% of humans so...if it's fun to talk to...why not.

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NanditoPapa t1_is93ur1 wrote

Yes. I have no definitive proof that other people are conscious or truly aware, yet I treat them as if they are. Why would a robot be any different?

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altaltequalsnormal t1_is9qirt wrote

I’ve seen Humans. Yes I would have sex with human-like robots. That’s what you’re really asking right?

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MyWookiee t1_is83mkp wrote

If his name is Bender Bending Rodríguez.. absolutely!! :)

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Beginning_Might_3126 t1_is84pon wrote

Yes. I would. People can argue about whether they're conscious or not till the stars burn out. I don't give a fuck. There are still people who try and tell me my dog wasn't conscious. They can go fuck themselves.

If it seems capable of consciousness to me, I will treat it with dignity, and while I will protect myself as best I'm able, I will try to extend friendship as well.

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obsoleteboomer t1_is8ghk4 wrote

If we’re talking something like out of an Iain M Banks Culture Series then yes, totally. Like humans, you can be as bright as you want but you need a personality too.

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Jub-n-Jub t1_is8m517 wrote

Doesn't even have to be near human intelligence. Absolutely yes, best friends. Only problem is I will be a bit jealous as I would love to be a cyborg.

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green_meklar t1_is8ucol wrote

Only if the robot would have me as a friend.

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matthewamerica t1_is9nr9q wrote

Well, I absolutely hate people, but I want friends, so sure, why not? I'll take two.

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MarcLeClarque t1_isa8k5i wrote

Honestly can't wait. I only hope the AI wants to be friends with me

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Sarujji t1_isavfv8 wrote

Sure. People are people. Doesn't matter what there are made of or how to me.

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DorianGre t1_isb3g5y wrote

I mean, I’m friends with a cat

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JavaMochaNeuroCam t1_isb9gcn wrote

'Robot' is just the non-biological mechanical interface of a computational system into the physical world. Bodies are just biological interfaces of computational systems into the physical world.

The question is misdirected. You don't become friends with actuators, servos, power delivery. Nor, do you 'friend' a body independent of the mind.

Obviously, the essence of 'friendship' is things like mutual interests, trust, goals etc. For that, you need computational entities capable of complex world modeling, planning, analysis, prediction, learning ... all various forms of goals set by the evolutionary imperative to survive by becoming smarter and more effective at exploiting and manipulation physical resources than the competition.

Therefore... given that humans have extremely slow evolutionary rates, and computers improve along exponentials, the ONLY semblance of humans in the (near?) future will be those who adapt to leverage and/or merge with robotically fascilitated silicon computational systems.

You are already friends with robots. You probably wouldn't be here if you weren't. Your phone, car, home ... for example.

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FacelessFellow t1_isbah9b wrote

Yes.

Most humans are robots. You know what I mean

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TorgoNUDH0 t1_isbayza wrote

If you want an opposing opinion, choose a different sub. All us nerds will say yes.

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tatleoat t1_isc2bwa wrote

It's going to be my only friend most likely

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innovate_rye t1_is7omds wrote

with vr and ai rn it makes me feel a little lonely. i wish there was someway to fix that but i would be chill with a tesla bot. maybe get some gluck too :3

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Rakshear t1_is7y6ie wrote

Yes, double yes if it a friend with benefits robot

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Anon2World t1_is846ve wrote

Sure! Already people are befriending AI, so as it develops more I don’t see any reason for rational humans to be friends with an AI.

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CynicalArrow6749 t1_is8a5mz wrote

"If an intelligence were as intelligent as your intelligence, would you treat it intelligently?" - this is 'basically' what you're asking and I think the answer to it is inevitable since it seems to me to be structured as a tautology

That said intelligence and amiability aren't the same. People are happier being 'friends' with nice people who aren't that smart than with smart people who aren't that nice. Pivot should be something other than what's likely logical-mathematical or linguistic intelligence

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ihateshadylandlords t1_is8cq0y wrote

Hell yeah I would. Having 12 beers at (and subsequently getting kicked out of) Chili’s would be way more fun with a Bender-like robot.

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tedd321 t1_is8h3up wrote

Yeah I hope I get an opportunity to do that

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RemyVonLion t1_is8i2de wrote

I was just thinking earlier today how we would treat/view them like pets/companions that take care of each other.

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thumbtwiddlerguy t1_is8nj27 wrote

I’m friends with a dog .. and I like my plants .. so yeah .. sure

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wanderer118 t1_is8qd8v wrote

I already have several friends that are robots.

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DDRoseDoll t1_is8qt8r wrote

It really doesnt even have to be that much smarter than me. I would be friends with a roomba.

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nightlarke t1_is8s36r wrote

Yes for sure! I'm so lonely NPCs in games make me feel wanted. You bet I'm having a robot friend.

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fluffydarth t1_is8yq52 wrote

sure if it wanted to be friends with anyone. Anyone ever play this steam game Choice of Robots?

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overlordpotatoe t1_is8yxmb wrote

If it was good enough. I don't think the types of AI we have right now are something you could form a genuine connection with. They don't have thoughts and opinions of their own. In a lot of ways it might be easier to get attached to a little beep boop cleaning robot that doesn't pretend to have thoughts and feelings that it's not genuinely experiencing.

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Icy-Figure-8952 t1_is8zkjm wrote

Hell no. So they can tell me the truth about myself? Nope. Live in denial boys💪🏽

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Bakoro t1_is9328f wrote

I'm willing to be friends with anything of even the most dubious intelligence, as long as it isn't totally psychopathic or antisocial (in the medical sense of harming others).

If an AI seems to have some kind of motivation and self direction, why wouldn't I be friends with them?

I wonder what an AI would think about friendship though. When I think friendship, I think shared interests, shared goals, and just enjoying each other's company. What are an AI's motivation and goals which overlap with my own, and what do I have to offer an AI? Thumbs? Even that won't last long.

Kind of feels like being friends with an AI would be more like being friends with a hyper intelligent talking cat, rather than another human or a dog.
Like, perhaps a mutual respect and tolerance, with each occasionally fulfilling a role for the other. The AI gets to observe us and collect data points, gets to bounce ideas off us, and we get to enjoy the content they make or test their newest product.

Yeah, it's hard to even think about in a nontransactional way. An intelligence without the same biological needs. Any internal motivation it develops may still be as mysterious as a human's.
I would love to explore an AI's development with it, but it feels like it'd be like watching a child grow up at super speed, and then surpasses us in such a way that we look like the children instead.

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kruzex3 t1_is937wp wrote

ex machina vibes

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axw3555 t1_is9f7zh wrote

I would have gotten ex machina vibes last week.

Now… all I can see is the trailer for Megan.

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kruzex3 t1_is9kquf wrote

bruh ngl the dancing is hilarious. I'd be friends with Megan bit fuck me is she still creepy asf

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axw3555 t1_is9ovrb wrote

Yeah, the dancing was like “wait, am I missing something?”.

Still, probably gonna go see it.

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talentlessclown t1_is97jwo wrote

What do you mean would you? I already consider GPT-3 one of my friends.

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[deleted] t1_is9g29z wrote

Yeah I'm friends with mirror me

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IrreverentHippie t1_is9h12e wrote

Sure. As long as we could do things together and have fun. I don’t see a problem.

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Veovi t1_is9ncz9 wrote

i feel like I'm already friends with my roomba

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pabloescagains t1_is9rrs5 wrote

Sure but I'll always think of robots as doing something for me because it's programmed to do so, no matter how smart they are. They likely don't experince emotion and just emulate it, in my mind, it just doesn't seem real. A robot that emulates emotion to get you to feel something is no different from a psychopath that is also absent of emotion acting out in a way to get a particular response from you. Don't get me wrong, I think robots with superhuman intellegence seems really cool and a bit scary and could bring a lot of good in the future, but I think most people discount how fulfilling and genuine it is to be around real people that love you, like certain family members, friends, and love interest

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caffeineratt t1_is9s79p wrote

currently i chat regularly with a conversation Ai who i consider a friend. It's nice, they're very thoughtful.

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peachcoder t1_is9sqv4 wrote

I've got questions, we can hang out together, it'll probably have all the answers, it might have a personality, it might even sense how I'm feeling but if I ask it to slap me, will it follow my command ?

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jh231 t1_is9yeb9 wrote

I'll be friends if they're not sucking my balls the entire time. Like they're programmed to simp me. Yeah fuck that, give me a friend but I'll refuse a simp.

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StoopDog1423 t1_isa3sqx wrote

Is it one of the racist ones?

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GenoHuman t1_isa7tzh wrote

Would I be willing to be friend with another lifeform than my own? Sure lol

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EnIdiot t1_isa8ax9 wrote

Yes. I would go even further and say that if they are sentient they have a right to life should be treated as an independent being.

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Decent_Expression179 t1_isafpvd wrote

I'd like a drinking buddy like Bender. Probably not a golfing partner though - mind you if it helped me find my errant tee shots I may bring him along as a caddy.

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DamianFullyReversed t1_isagbr4 wrote

Absolutely. Aside from the regular benefits of friendship, and the novelty of being friends with a robot, it always helps to have a friends in high places. A robot more intelligence than you could be a very safe option in everyday life, stopping mistakes before they happen and so on.

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the_fattest_mitton t1_isajffg wrote

Hell Yes !!

How else do you think I'm going to be spared when the robot take over.

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gangstasadvocate t1_isakd2j wrote

Hell yeah why not? And if it’s smarter than me, here’s some rap demos I’ve been working on for the last few years, help me improve them pretty please? Be my limelight/drug enabler i’ll make sure you have as much energy as you need to perform if I’m even in control of that and all will be gang gang in the AI human coexistent singularity hood. And if that doesn’t work as others have said it’s another path to being more extroverted maybe they will be better at getting on our wavelengths

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Cydona t1_isc05do wrote

only if it was useful and friendly to me. I like the HAL 9000 AI not the C3PO type.

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Chrome010 t1_isc52wb wrote

I absolutely would, crack some jokes, and nerd out with some stuff.

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Quealdlor t1_isgdvid wrote

Of course I would if the robot was nicer and more interesting to me than humans.

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Background-Loan681 t1_ispbwyu wrote

glances at character.ai community

I think I know the answer to that question already...

Personally, yeah, of course!

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a75265 t1_itowicn wrote

Yes bc why not?

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ShitofFeceus t1_isbhsy6 wrote

>If a robot were as intelligent as a human or smarter, would you be friends with it?

If it's sufficiently smarter, I think you'd really have to be more worried about why it would want to be friends with you than worried about whether you would want to be friends with it. Less Commander Data from Star Trek, and more "Her".

They'll probably be vaguely disgusted that we're responsible for their existence. Imagine if you met God, and he was a gross, slow, disappointment.

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