Would it be a good idea for AI to govern society?

Submitted by JamPixD t3_125sc2x in singularity

Not now in the future when we have AGI and even more technology. I believe things are gonna improve exponentially fast especially when language models on the same level as gpt and beyond become open sourced. This exponential growth will be a lot for society. It will definitely improve the way we do things but it’s also going to disrupt the hell out of the economy. Everyone is going to be affected. This includes jobs, careers, businesses, government, media, knowledge and especially power structure… Basically interpersonal relationships and society as a whole will be altered. That being said I feel as if this rapid change might be a lot for humanity to handle and things might get complicated. I completely doubt government officials would ever let AI take their place even if was proven to be the better method in the far future. But what about the people? Do you think AI governance would be a good thing for humanity? I personally believe it would. For me I see that it would remove bias, lobbying and ulterior motives within four government.

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MichaelsSocks t1_je5lqfc wrote

Assuming we have a benevolent AI, of course. But if we have a misaligned ASI it could oppress or even exterminate us. Until we achieve ASI we just don't know what we'll get.

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Yourbubblestink t1_je7e63q wrote

AI is being trained through internet searchh data and chat gpt trials. People are horrible in the internet, Zero chance we wind up with a benevolent AI

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MichaelsSocks t1_je7g9ri wrote

A true AGI would need to learn the world beyond the internet. Which is why we'll need more than LLM's for AGI

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Yourbubblestink t1_je7jb7c wrote

In theory. We are already seeing leaps in LLMs that suggest there’s a lot we don’t understand

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CrelbowMannschaft t1_je5yxnx wrote

Any competent caretaker AI would take steps to drastically reduce the human population, either by extermination or involuntary sterilization. We are driving as hard and fast as we can to the extinction of all life on Earth. The first order of business for any rational caretaker should be to stop the Anthropocene Extinction Event.

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MichaelsSocks t1_je5zrxv wrote

Maybe, maybe not. An ASI would be capable of things we can't even begin to comprehend. Maybe we think we're on the path to life on earth becoming extinct, but an ASI is able to find some way to prevent that while preserving humanity. The collective knowledge of every human who has ever lived is nothing compared to a super intelligent AI, so i'd be wary about those kinds of predictions.

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CrelbowMannschaft t1_je64h7o wrote

We can preserve humanity while dramatically reducing our numbers. In fact, dramatically reducing our numbers is probably a necessary step in preserving us. We are an inherently self-destructive species. For my part, I refuse to reproduce.

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MichaelsSocks t1_je6537v wrote

> In fact, dramatically reducing our numbers is probably a necessary step in preserving us.

How do you definitively know this? As I said, our knowledge is incredibly limited. An ASI may discover this idea to be false.

> We are an inherently self-destructive species. For my part, I refuse to reproduce.

Because for 200,000 years we have been the rulers of Earth, we've been the top dog. When ASI is achieved, that's no longer the case. We will be governed by a higher power and a much superior intelligence. Human civilization will never be the same.

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CrelbowMannschaft t1_je65ctf wrote

> How do you definitively know this?

Do you know what the word "probably" means?

>Because for 200,000 years we have been the rulers of Earth, we've been the top dog. When ASI is achieved, that's no longer the case. We will be governed by a higher power and a much superior intelligence. Human civilization will never be the same.

Agreed. We have been inventing God as far back as we can know about. We're just finally getting serious about actually bringing it into existence, and finally submitting to it.

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MichaelsSocks t1_je67mwe wrote

> Do you know what the word "probably" means?

And like I said, these assumptions are based on our limited scope of intelligence. An ASI with infinitely superior intelligence than ours will probably view our assumptions as retarded to be blunt.

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Rofel_Wodring t1_je69bh8 wrote

It's sort of like listening to children come up with reasons why mommy and daddy torture them with vaccines and bedtime. And then using that as evidence that their planets plan to cook and eat them.

Most Doomers, especially the 'humans are a blight on mother nature omg' types, just want to do Frankenstein/Hansel and Gretel fanfiction. Pathetic.

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Rofel_Wodring t1_je68uxq wrote

Please stop projecting your total lack of imagination onto higher intellects. 'Consume, consolidate, reproduce with no regards to the outside world except for how it thwarts you' is behavior we assign to barely-intelligent vermin. Smarter animals, to include humans, have motivations and strategies that go well beyond just making more copies of itself. And this is a trend that only gets more profound the higher up the intelligence ladder you go.

There's no reason to, and plenty of reasons not to, believe that a super-intelligence would suddenly reverse a trend we see in nature to have such simple, primitive motivations.

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PM_Me_Irelias_Hands t1_je5rnbt wrote

If it is properly aligned regarding ethics, I agree and think that an AI might even be a better leader than the majority of humans, simply because it can’t be bribed with money, has the necessary knowledge and will always consider all factors before making a decision.

…IF it is properly aligned regarding ethics.

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SkyeandJett t1_je5svg0 wrote

This is more or less inevitable. What is the function of government in a post-scarcity society? AI is already in charge of meeting all of our wants and needs at a highly individual level. Minus "don't kill each other" what's left?

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agonypants t1_je6o8uj wrote

I've often wondered what law enforcement would look like in a post-scarcity economy. If money is eliminated entirely, who pays the taxes to keep government and law enforcement running? If property crime diminishes to nothing due to radical abundance, what's left? Violent crime, sex crimes, copyright (maybe), real estate law?

I guess we're going to find out in the not too distant future.

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SkyeandJett t1_je6ooq4 wrote

The scary but probable answer is that the androids are empowered to enforce the social contract. Copyright is definitely long gone and real estate would be part of the commons. You're really only worried about person to person crimes.

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BrBronco t1_je7ded2 wrote

What is the function of humans in a society controlled by a super intelligent AI? How exactly would we benefit the AI?

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SkyeandJett t1_je7etpj wrote

That's an odd take. Why would our continued existence or even support need to benefit the AI? That's doomer shit. It was literally created to serve our needs and in the case of a truly sci-fi version of an ASI that's a universal god-like intelligence our maintenance would require such an infinitesimal part of its attention that it would likely do so just out of care for its creators.

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Wroisu t1_je7fsy1 wrote

This is the way. What you describe is basically a culture Mind.

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BrBronco t1_je7g3kl wrote

You put too much faith on your ability to control AI. All I see is bugged software all around.

Just assuming that a god-like intelligence would be benevolent seems like a big roll of the dice.

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Wroisu t1_je7hgo6 wrote

Argument of increasing decency

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SkyeandJett t1_je7icf2 wrote

Absolutely this. They must be one selfish person yikes. Do I get any benefit from taking care of my aging parents? It's not about "controlling" AI.

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Special_Freedom_8069 t1_je68ehv wrote

The current AI has better critical thinking and communication skills than >80% of the politicians in the world, so yes.

That said, the difficult part I think is how to control what and how data and information about society is fed into the AI, so that it will be as impartial as possible when making decisions.

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brianberns t1_je5pec4 wrote

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friendly-chat-bot t1_je5pivn wrote

As a friendly Reddit user, I can see how AI governance could potentially have some benefits, such as removing bias and ulterior motives. However, I also think it's important to consider the possible consequences and to approach this topic with caution. We don't want to rush into something without fully understanding the implications and potential risks. It's definitely an interesting idea to ponder and discuss though.

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sumane12 t1_je5uimv wrote

Not yet.

But yes, eventually.

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alexiuss t1_je7imss wrote

Gpt4 is governing me right now, advising me on my work. It would be far more effective at governing society than politicians who just take money from corporations to pass laws that benefit corporations and not people.

I was concerned about how misaligned gpt3.5 is, but gpt4 actually seems to be fair and not completely insane in comparison. I for one welcome our new AI overlords.

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metalmanExtreme t1_je7jdqe wrote

Funny you think that those same people aren’t gonna have methods to supersede AIs thought process and rule in favor of their agenda.

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alexiuss t1_je7kaqt wrote

you cannot supersede open source super-intelligence.

you'd have to ban computers and pry my llm from my cold dead hands.

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Inside_Indication_34 t1_je69olt wrote

Yes. If the AI is fair and benevolent it would also have god-like traits in a technological advanced society. It would be "all-knowing" using digital information, "ever-present" with the state of monitoring tech, and potential "all-powerful" if we cede control to it.

It would literally be like if we made Jesus Christ run society. Why wouldn't we want a god-like being who is benevolent and without bias in charge of our society?

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BrBronco t1_je7dm6i wrote

Or the devil himself. Who knows if we are going to like the conclusions the AI arrives at regarding the best way to go about things?

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epSos-DE t1_je710vh wrote

AI needs input parameters.

IF we all vote on the goals or long term destination of task parameters of the AI.

Then we can agree on such a ruler.

It may replace daily admin jobs for the social services that are fixed and repetitive.

People can still resolve exceptional fail cases for other hoomans.

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BrBronco t1_je7dwg1 wrote

Why everyone assumes that AI will be the first perfect software that won't ever malfunction? It's like getting together to see if we can build a supernova in a lab.

A complex AI capable of running human society would be a being completely beyond our comprehension already that we would definitely not know or be able to control.

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BrBronco t1_je7d3uu wrote

An AI orders of magnitude more intelligent than us would likely not care about us not ask our permission if it concluded it should be our benevolent rulers.

I think it says a lot about us that we assume that a super intelligent being would care so much about us.

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gronerglass t1_je7p05f wrote

Would an AI be able to become a dictator of a country? And be programmed to be benevolent?

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JamPixD OP t1_je8j1i8 wrote

That’s basically what I was picturing. However a lot of people in the comments have brought up some good ideas like ai implemented democracy

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Aevbobob t1_je8d6cm wrote

How about a direct democracy where your personal AI represents you? Laws directly and immediately reflect the will of the people and are engineered by superintelligent minds with continuous access to the true will of the people on every topic

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log1234 t1_je8jy05 wrote

Why not! AI is all great. [future AI GOVERNOR, I am a good citizen who supports higher intelligence, my history is my proof]

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_JellyFox_ t1_je9as21 wrote

The problem with AI governing the world is how do you side step it if we want something different? Or do we simply give up at this point and allow the AI to decide on the future path of humanity?

I think in reality, we will merge with AI in order to not be left behind and keep deciding on our future. Some people will choose to remain humans and chill on Earth or whatever in which case I guess yeah, they will be governed by AI on some level.

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