Submitted by Ok_Sea_6214 t3_11uez2d in singularity
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citizentim t1_jcp42in wrote
An upvote for Severance. Goddamn that show is so good.
Burgundy_and_Pearl t1_jcrmxeu wrote
Please try to enjoy all the Severance references equally.
GenoHuman t1_jcqthfd wrote
Oh I have not seen this show, the premise seem very interesting!
Paraless t1_jd8ntos wrote
I loved the first and last episode, hated everything in between.
rudanshi t1_jcq1yl8 wrote
The older generations got their brains completely fried with shitty jpegs on facebook, and plenty of young people fall for fake shit too. We're in for a tidal wave of lies flooding social media.
RadioFreeAmerika t1_jctenp4 wrote
It's already happening. And for that reason, I have a little flag in my mind on all content adding a probability of being generated. No content can be trusted any more. This starts from phone cameras automatically "improving pictures", over AI-enhanced mirrors, to your classical generated propaganda.
bildVI t1_jcuc7ag wrote
A few years back I came across a YT channel of some deeply religious guy zooming in on jpeg artifacts, adjusting levels in photoshop and claiming they were evidence of moon bases. I tried searching but it looks like youtube has successfully buried that kind of content in the main search. I can guarantee, if I could find them, there are people claiming generative AIs are evidence for demons when they zoom in all the way and squint hard enough.
signed7 t1_jcoklhk wrote
Yep, I tend to post process these images on Google photos's magic eraser to remove these, it works sometimes...
yaosio t1_jcnzwv4 wrote
Stable Diffusion can produce images that appear to be completely real. You need to use one of the custom models people have made. https://civitai.com/
Systral t1_jcow3wa wrote
All people use it for apparently is big boobed chicks and anime babes.
Nukemouse t1_jcqypqk wrote
Those image types have a lot of reference material, it helps.
Akimbo333 t1_jco5zzr wrote
Any ones in particular?
enilea t1_jcr4cz8 wrote
The photographic ones aren't even close to mj v5 sadly.
isthiswhereiputmy t1_jcp5fwr wrote
None of those look real to me, they have a signature text-to-image look.
throwaway_890i t1_jcomk8v wrote
There is still a 6 finger glove coming from nowhere to the middle women's breast though.
dankhorse25 t1_jconlpa wrote
V5 eliminates the majority of 6 fingers glitches. V6 will be even better
throwaway_890i t1_jcoonr5 wrote
It is the fact that the glove comes out of nowhere touching a woman's breast, that leapt out at he as soon as I looked at the picture. It is only after looking at the magic pervy glove that I noticed those fingers look a bit packed.
Burgundy_and_Pearl t1_jcrmqfl wrote
What if I ask Midjourney to depict the six fingered man that killed Inago Montoya’s father?
XtremeTurnip t1_jcrleze wrote
It's interesting that it's very frequently 5 fingers and a thumb (at least it feels to me). Intuitively 1 less should be roughly as frequent as 1 more, and the further you go the rarest, but i rarely see hands with only 3 fingers (or biased). I'll have to look into it.
edit: typo
SmoothPlastic9 t1_jcou8i4 wrote
If you used custom model from SD for like the past 3 months this ain’t new
Bloorajah t1_jcpcpkh wrote
I can still tell that they’re AI generated. it’s pretty obvious since they all have the usual look about them, sometimes the anatomy isn’t quite right, sometimes it’s the clothes.
If the overall quality of the piece was on par with the errors it would be harder to tell between an amateur piece of art and an AI image, but the AI either goes for straight realism or a very high quality professional art piece.
Whether it be realism or high quality fiction, the AI still makes mistakes that a human artist would see and iron out.
Ok_Sea_6214 OP t1_jcpihph wrote
Would be interesting to have a page "real or not" where people have to guess if a picture is real or AI generated.
just-a-dreamer- t1_jcodfij wrote
Artists are gone.
There is now way one can compete with that.
Ok_Sea_6214 OP t1_jcorb8z wrote
One might argue the opposite, artists just got a huge tool to take their skills to the next level, while turning every non artist into one as well. We just got 8 billion artists, and some of those are bound to be undiscovered Picassos.
jer99 t1_jcp1dcr wrote
It could be argued with a tool like this people would never put in the 20k+ hours to become a master like Picasso ever again. But maybe if the world no longer has a currency and agi has taken sentience and there’s no reason to work anymore would make my point be moot? Perhaps people would spend their time making art for arts sake?
Frumpagumpus t1_jcp27g1 wrote
there will definitely still be people who spend 20k+ hours on art, they might mostly spend it tweaking AI art though
Whispering-Depths t1_jcpjsmq wrote
or just people who want to be able to say "yeah, I can do this without a robot's help".
Ok_Sea_6214 OP t1_jcpic0l wrote
You don't need to be a master, you just need pure talent and an AI that can channel that talent into world class art.
In effect skill is a paywall that you need time and practice to get past, and AI just removed that paywall for things like art.
Whispering-Depths t1_jcpjqow wrote
If a tool like this makes you not bother feeling like putting in your 20k, then you probably weren't going to be an artist anyways.
It's about personal fulfilment. There will always be someone better than you.
The cool part is that it's not a job anymore - it will purely be about coming up with stuff for your own, and others enjoyment.
And trust me, idiots will continue to suck at everything. "exucse me how do i prompt the ai to make big bvvoob girl im relly confused its only outputting stuff that lok bad"
followed by them posting 500 pictures that they think looks good but is in actuality low-quality garbage.
XtremeTurnip t1_jcrnnhg wrote
moreover because you can't purposefully generate "big bvvoob girl" as for MJ due to ToS.
rixtil41 t1_jcqnzdb wrote
Unless those Picasso forever keep to it to them selfs.
Whispering-Depths t1_jcpjf19 wrote
alternatively, what you should be saying, is that now art is a personal hobby for people who want to flex their achievements and find enjoyment in what they can do, rather than in how much money they can make as fast as possible.
BigZaddyZ3 t1_jcq2i9j wrote
The problem with this logic is that, if everyone is equally capable of something (in this case, art), there’s actually no value or achievement within it. There’s nothing to “flex” because you’re merely doing something that everyone else is equally capable of doing thanks to AI. This will also impact the enjoyment of said thing because that’s often directly linked to a sense of accomplishment or achievement as well. Which like I said, will be basically non-existent in a world where AI makes everyone an artist.
Think about artistic talent like a college degree basically. The more people with that same degree, the less valuable that degree is as a whole. A lot of people don’t seem to understand that, the scarcity of a skill is what gives the skill it’s value.
Whispering-Depths t1_jcta6kr wrote
sure. film yourself or go on traditional.
but no one cares, we're gonna be post labor in like 2 years if AI keeps getting better at the rate it has been.
BigZaddyZ3 t1_jctaemp wrote
2 years seems a bit unrealistic to me, but we’ll just have to wait and see I guess.
citizentim t1_jcp4gxc wrote
They said the same thing about Photoshop. Don’t stress. There will always be art and artists.
Commercial and corporate art? Well, that’s gonna get barreled by AI. But, ultimately I think AI art will simply lead to another art style or movement.
Think about what someone like Warhol would be doing with AI. That dude would be having a blast right now.
viagrabrain t1_jcpc5t9 wrote
No way. This is just another tool but ai won t prevent artists to invent new styles and expressions
KingJTheG t1_jcqgu26 wrote
Tbh artists in the 21st century are going to have to adapt. But realistically, it was never a viable career path since maybe 2008 or so
XtremeTurnip t1_jcrncm5 wrote
That's just one image out of the blue.
In terms of render, sure.
But if you have a specific design in mind, good luck generating it with AI, same if you want to make a character coherent through multiple iterations.
The artist that makes either one of those is fine, the artist that makes the same shit as everyone else might be in trouble.
Redditing-Dutchman t1_jct29zd wrote
Grahic design, font design and branding etc is still not possible with these models. It will come for sure, but not yet.
talonn82 t1_jcx8zt9 wrote
keep dreaming not going anywhere, art is a pastime.
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just-a-dreamer- t1_jcojxnl wrote
Art is a business within capitalist society. If you can't make money, you die in the streets.
If capitalism can be destroyed, people might be able to spend leisure time on art projects.
blueit1234567 t1_jcony04 wrote
The motivation to get good at a skill related to art/music will be gone, since it takes years to attain skill. How can you train yourself to get good at something a computer can always do better? You would immediately feel defeated, and the death of the artist/musician will result. This is my very humble opinion.
just-a-dreamer- t1_jcoodk7 wrote
That concept makes no sense to me. I am below average as a montain climber, yet I do it anyway. I push myself forward. Not for "society", for me.
I ignore other people's accomplishments, for they are not mine and of no use to me.
blueit1234567 t1_jcordqs wrote
I may be thinking of it as a profession. As a hobby, yes I agree.
just-a-dreamer- t1_jcot02j wrote
The goal of AI automation is unemployment for all.
Eventually, there will be no such thing as a profession.
Hotchillipeppa t1_jcoqx8t wrote
People still play go,chess and dota 2, despite their being bots better than the top humans in all 3, people still ride horses despite their being vehicles, people don’t need to be the best to enjoy themselves.
Weak-Lengthiness-420 t1_jcpadu5 wrote
Yep. I’m a 43 year-old man with no NBA aspirations and yet I still love playing basketball.
Almond_Steak t1_jcovko7 wrote
I will never be as good as Messi but I still practice football everyday because I enjoy it.
SimilarSalary9345 t1_jcows8s wrote
I think folk’s most significant motivations for becoming ‘good at art’ are largely the act in itself and a providing a clearer voice for themselves to express their lived experience. You can’t take either of those away, but you can strongly influence the medium. In the way that digital manipulation and illustration tools (Photoshop, Illustrator) might be considered as somehow destroying art, I wonder if people able to elaborately, thoughtfully, and majestically direct AI to create their vision may become a thing of value.
Dwanyelle t1_jcqksss wrote
Some people just enjoy doing certain things.
I've got several hobbies that arguably computers are way better at than I could ever possibly hope to be, but that doesn't discourage me, because I do them for the sake of doing them. I enjoy it. "Because it's there."
Zealousideal_Ad3783 t1_jcp2gld wrote
If you can’t make money as an artist, that’s society’s way of telling you that your artwork is not good enough to justify your labor being tied up doing that, so your labor should go towards producing things that consumers actually value. If capitalism was destroyed, those market signals would be lost.
Capitalism is about helping other people. It’s selfish to think that you’re entitled to earn a living — meaning other people are obligated to expend resources to support you — without actually doing stuff that other people value.
just-a-dreamer- t1_jcp5pxg wrote
Capitalism does not help anybody, that is a dumb statement. I guess you mean trade does help people in a mutual beneficial way, that is true to some extent.
Capitalism is the art of exploitation of men by men in the most efficient way. It has nothing to do with helping anybody.
You are quick to assume every labor must be allocated to "help" someone, but that does not apply to necessities/assets like housing, education, consumer goods, energy,....
Thus for some to live off assets and do next to nothing all day, many must "help" through their labor. An age old problem, hopefully will get solved by AI automation.
For most of human history since the invention of agriculture, slavery of 10%-30% of the human population was the norm throughout all societies.
Capitalism just builds on the human condition, yet it has to be eradicated along the way humans relate to each other in general.
Zealousideal_Ad3783 t1_jcp67o9 wrote
Capitalism is simply a web of voluntary trades. It’s the opposite of exploitative. The exploitative institution in our society is the government, which systematically violates private property rights.
just-a-dreamer- t1_jcp7cpw wrote
There is no such thing as private property without the government. The government usually is a mere represention of property owners.
It's a dumb statement to think of property as "private" outside the control of government. Defended by what? Your family? How many men and weapons could you bring to the party?
Zealousideal_Ad3783 t1_jcp7jfq wrote
Defended by private security.
just-a-dreamer- t1_jcp9h28 wrote
And they will defend you because? Little history lesson by Niccolò Machiavelli who wrote about the dangers of mercenaries.
"The fact is, they have no other attraction or reason for keeping the field than a trifle of stipend, which is not sufficient to make them willing to die for you. They are ready enough to be your soldiers whilst you do not make war, but if war comes they take themselves off or run from the foe;
The mercenary captains are either capable men or they are not; if they are, you cannot trust them, because they always aspire to their own greatness, either by oppressing you, who are their master, or others contrary to your intentions; but if the captain is not skilful, you are ruined in the usual way."
Point is, mercaneries are loyal untill they are not. They band with any gang that is out for plunder and cut your throat.
I recently read an article that 15% of rural families were displaced from their land in cartel controlled areas of Columbia. Where the government is weak, the strong rule eventually and take what they want.
Zealousideal_Ad3783 t1_jcpasv5 wrote
If private property rights are generally respected in a society, violent plunderers would be outcompeted by peaceful organizations. Public opinion would be against the criminal gang.
just-a-dreamer- t1_jcpfa3q wrote
That is called government then. Property owners coming together and provide mutual defence of shared interest.
If I lack property and have nothing to lose, why would I respect your property? That is against human nature.
Zealousideal_Ad3783 t1_jcpfo0b wrote
The phrase “property owners coming together and providing mutual defense of shared interest” does not describe the state, it describes a private company, because it’s consensual. The state is the institution with a monopoly on violence, and by definition it’s not based on consent.
Dwanyelle t1_jcql6o7 wrote
Who says the state isn't based on consent? There are plenty that aren't, and none that completely do, but it is at least something tried for among certain governments.
Dwanyelle t1_jcqlbht wrote
In a representative government, it's whole idea is that it is based on consent. The problem becomes folks with already a ton being greedy fucks who can bride the people running the government, since humans are fallible.
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lawrebx t1_jcowalu wrote
Why does capitalism have to be destroyed?
At least under capitalism, you get to make the call on balancing lifestyle and working hours instead of mandate fixed labor contribution. That seems like it would be better for artists?
Frumpagumpus t1_jcp2z5t wrote
they have student loans
Dwanyelle t1_jcqlisk wrote
Because we have a system where people who work an hour a week on average make way more than someone working eighty hours a week.
That's the sign of a broken system.
lawrebx t1_jcqrlyr wrote
I agree the system is broken, but I also see the U.S. as an outlier in the capitalist world. Inequality tends to improve with increased wealth generation across the world.
Look at inequality vs. per capita GDP.
The U.S. is generating the same wealth as other capitalist countries, but with far greater inequality. Looking at the data, the root cause of our structural inequality seems to be in spite of our economic system rather than because of it.
So my question is this - what do you see as the fundamental issue and what system would you propose?
Dwanyelle t1_jcrrtok wrote
I'm honestly not sure, tbh.
Whispering-Depths t1_jcpk2fv wrote
you mean for you it needs to mean those things.
You don't need to project your personal views on other people, especially if it conflicts with their own personal views and enjoyments, right? Unless they are actively hurting someone emotionally or physically?
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siberiandominatrix t1_jcqj1ws wrote
It's interesting that it's this good but still has no idea how to do text.
thehomienextdoor t1_jcqo9v4 wrote
Actually some models are weirdly getting there and I don’t think that’s on purpose.
Overall-Nectarine-46 t1_jcrmem3 wrote
I came to v5 and learned Discord just to get realistic fingers and toes. No lie.
talonn82 t1_jcx7s9d wrote
people say artists are gone etc, but doing a painting or taking a photo can be a pastime that is enjoyable and it doesnt matter if a machine can do it better, people still use their legs even though we can drive. people paint and draw and create besides the fact that its a career, i think people will still be creating art for a long time yet probably forever. i like to paint and draw im not going to stop because a machine can outmatch me in a sort mechanical way.
also can a machine create a unique or evolving style, the same way we have had new artists and styles through the centuries, these programs are good at copying, but what about innovating new styles from scratch, ie the way the impressionist movement organically grew. i think new styles are very dependant on something only humans with emotions can draw from and how we see the world around us. if we tell these programs create a new style, based on the world and philosophy and events of the time, can it create something new and fresh and relevant, and does it even understand the concept of style.
would you rather have a sketch your kid did on the fridge door or ask a machine to give you one that resembles somethings your kid would did.
shmoculus t1_jcoe0fw wrote
When you stare at these generations for hours on end you can pickup subtle differences that give them away. If it's very good it's more like that show Severance, where they look at numbers on a screen and can tell some "feel" bad