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Diaza_Kinutz t1_ja97lw0 wrote
No it's increase in profits for the rich
HillaryPutin t1_ja9fxx5 wrote
Yeah, never once has the employee benefitted in compensation from technology/automation.
Danger-Dom t1_ja9gdoh wrote
Yeah we're all still serfs hacking away with scythes.. oh wait..
DKNinjas t1_ja9a23q wrote
It’s to
- do more with the easiest barrier of entry
- do what you desire with the tools accessible
In order words, what the beholder deems necessary at that particular moment
RubiksSugarCube t1_ja9gqy5 wrote
It's all a matter of perspective. Freeing people from the drudgery of working on an assembly line for 40 hours a week is one thing. Freeing people from passing their own laws, making health care decisions or policing neighborhoods is an entirely different thing. At some point on the way there has to be a real conversation about the merits of freedom from work vs. loss of self-determination.
SharpCartographer831 t1_ja93m95 wrote
You'll be in the unemployment line with the rest of us buddy, see you there.
Surur t1_ja94aaw wrote
After the singularity, if you are still alive, you can always pretend to work, if that makes you happy. You can wake up at 7, wash and get in your car, drive to pretend work, shove a few papers around constantly, have tea, pretend to make phone calls and drive back home.
If that makes you happy of course.
zendonium t1_ja95gzh wrote
Wait.. isn't that what most people already do?
dasnihil t1_ja9ikyy wrote
i do that, but mostly from home lol
ShowerGrapes t1_ja9btqp wrote
exactly. and the people who need servants in order to feel validated will be served by the people who desperately want to serve someone.
iNstein t1_jaa6re7 wrote
No thanks, my servants will all be robotic. I don't want some thieving second rate human serving me.
HillaryPutin t1_ja9g4xv wrote
I'd prefer to travel across the universe visiting exotic planets
Surur t1_ja9gi2x wrote
Are you sure you don't prefer a twice-yearly performance review?
DowntownYou5783 t1_ja93dzv wrote
I don't think it's laziness exactly. For a few people, work is a vocation and it's wonderful. For many people, work kind of sucks!
Now it's true that some people will idle away their days in a dopamine-infused stupor (click, click, click) should work no longer be required. But others will pursue passion projects they otherwise could not. Work sometimes gets in the way of living. It could be better for a lot of people (almost certainly a majority) if work becomes unnecessary.
dasnihil t1_ja9ir4l wrote
my job is very fulfilling and i make a lot of money and i still want UBI for everyone to have their basic needs met. OP is projecting his ideas on to other people he doesn't know about.
Chad_Abraxas t1_ja9y8ct wrote
Same here. My job is writing novels, and I make buckets of money at it. I love my work. (And I worked extremely hard to turn it into a paying career.)
I still want UBI for everyone. It's humane. It's just. There's no good excuse to NOT do it, and now that AI is looming over everyone, there's extra-extra-no good excuse not to.
After UBI, I'll still be working as hard as I ever do on my books. (And I've already figured out how to adapt AI to my workflow, so bring it on.)
Chad_Abraxas t1_ja9xwtd wrote
Yes. It's so funny to me that people think UBI = people will sit around doing nothing.
People will make art, spend time with their loved ones, go on adventures, pursue the things they love, investigate reality/expand science (in partnership with AI tools), and enjoy living.
Isn't that what we're supposed to be working towards, as a society? The high tide that lifts all boats?
Since when is WORKING to make MONEY (mostly for someone who's not you) the point of living?
Humanity will be able to do more, in terms of art, science, philosophy, religion, and love, if we don't have to work at dumbass jobs all the fucking time.
Vehks t1_ja96rc4 wrote
> However, this perspective seems to stem from a lack of motivation to work and not from a genuine concern for the future of employment.
Someone's dad is on the internet again... might wanna come claim him before he starts dropping jokes.
TheDividendReport t1_ja98coy wrote
The accusation that supporters of Universal Basic Income and automation are "lazy" is misguided and lacks a nuanced understanding of the modern economy and work culture. Many jobs today lack fulfillment or meaning, as evidenced by anthropologist David Graeber's work on "Bullshit Jobs." These jobs often involve menial tasks, bureaucratic paperwork, or other activities that do not provide any real value to society. In such cases, working hard may not contribute to the greater good.
It's important to recognize that work is not inherently valuable, and that the value of work is not solely determined by the level of effort or physical labor involved. In the case of a person who automates their job but spends their free time landscaping their property, it would be misguided to label them as lazy simply because they have eliminated the need for their own labor in one area of their life.
The notion of a "puritanical work ethic" has created an unhealthy and false perception of work and society. Hard work is often viewed as inherently valuable, but this ignores the fact that many people work hard at jobs they do not enjoy, just to make ends meet. Moreover, this view can lead to exploitation and overwork, especially when employees have little power to negotiate better working conditions.
Automation and AI present an opportunity to free people from work that is tedious, dangerous, or unsatisfying. Supporters of UBI and AI see this as an opportunity to create a more equitable society where everyone has access to the basic necessities of life. By providing a universal basic income, individuals will be able to pursue work that is fulfilling, rather than being forced to take whatever job is available simply to survive.
It's worth noting the hypocrisy of society's attitude towards work, especially when we consider the disparity between successful video game streamers and single mothers working multiple jobs just to get by. Streamers are often celebrated for making a living playing video games, yet it was not long ago that video games were viewed as a lazy and parasitical use of time. Meanwhile, single mothers, who are often underpaid and undervalued, work tirelessly to provide for their families. The unequal treatment of these two groups is evidence of the distorted perception of work in our society.
A common criticism of Universal Basic Income (UBI) is that it will encourage laziness and that some people will simply sit around all day doing nothing. However, it's worth asking whether this is really a problem, especially in a world of post-scarcity where resources are abundant. If someone is not harming anyone and is able to live a comfortable life without working, why should it matter if they choose to sit around all day? The reality is that most people eventually get bored of doing nothing and seek fulfillment in their lives, whether through work, hobbies, or other pursuits. Moreover, it's important to recognize that fulfillment in work may not always result in a paycheck. Many people find fulfillment in volunteer work, creative pursuits, or simply spending time with loved ones. The value of work should not be solely determined by its economic output, but also by the personal fulfillment it provides. Ultimately, we should aim to create a society where individuals have the freedom to pursue their passions and find fulfillment, without being forced to work simply to survive.
SalishSeaview t1_ja9xbnx wrote
Brilliant and complete answer.
Chad_Abraxas t1_ja9ykuk wrote
Well said, friend!
Iffykindofguy t1_ja970x6 wrote
LMAO people still think this way? I thought it was a fox news parody. HURR DURR YALL ARE LAZY IM GOOD
TFenrir t1_ja9dwyk wrote
Is there something particularly romantic or praiseworthy in menial work to you? Do you think a single mother who would rather spend time with her family than stocking shelves, is acting immorally?
BlessedBobo t1_ja94v1x wrote
Who cares? although I do agree that the Singularity is a cope for a lot of people, whether the reason people advocate for UBI is fuelled by laziness or genuine concern is meaningless.
it's going to happen, and were going to need it, now go talk about something that actually matters.
Lawjarp2 t1_ja96ysv wrote
No evidence, not even an anecdote and certainly no ability to understand that not everyone is definable within your limited world view and people have different perspectives and motivation.
Clearly someone here is lazy.
just-a-dreamer- t1_ja9b4qw wrote
The goal of AI automation is unemployment for all. Yes, that is our natural calling, that is how we shall spend our lifes.
Looking around, next to all people only work in order to reach a point where they do not have work. Escaping work is the primary goal of life.
Wether it is joining the militatry for a pension after 20 years, 401K's, passive income from investments, social security, state pensions,...
All humans are hell bent to work as little as possible and some bitch about the " lazy ones" while doing it.
With AI automation, the concept of "working for a living" could fall for the first time in human history for the broad masses.
rileyoneill t1_ja9jrif wrote
I know people who bitch about people being lazy when they make their money via passive rent from homes they inherited. The only work they do is show up to city council to protest any new housing developments.
I figure the goal of automation/ai is to collapse the price of every necessity, from housing, to food, clothing, energy, and transportation. To where a first world lifestyle can be afforded for some small fraction of today's cost structure.
You will see people working, but you won't see people grinding away their lives to afford the basics. 24 hours a week might sustain a family of four.
Schneller-als-Licht t1_ja94rsy wrote
I think most people on this subreddit does not favor the opinion that everyone should stop working with technological unemployment, rather with automation work should be an option (for those who has hobby, etc.) instead of someone has to do in order to survive.
And main target of singularity is improving humans’ standard of live, removing the scarcity of the current world.
IluvBsissa t1_ja96tb5 wrote
Dude, most corporate jobs are useless and soul-draining and should not exist. It's not laziness, it's mental sanity.
Ortus14 t1_ja9adek wrote
No one needs to advocate for Ai, it is coming weather you like it or not.
As far as UBI, it does not sound like you have a better solution to all human beings being outcompeted in all physical and cognitive domains.
GoSouthYoungMan t1_ja94rc2 wrote
Thank you for spending so much time and effort on this post!
H0sh1z0r4 t1_ja9g5nd wrote
most people don't care if you think they're lazy or not, mate.
if you're a house-elf straight out of harry potter, and need to be a slave to find meaning in your sad life. ok, you can continue working after UBI creation, we will not stop you.
but don't try to force everyone to live in a world where work is a necessity. most hate their own work and only work because they have to.
let people be free to decide how they are going to spend their short lives, whether working with something they really like, studying or playing video games all day.
HeartlessLiberal t1_jaa0eie wrote
If the Conservatives hadn't massively fucked everything over the last 50 years we'd all be living like the Jetsons but the boomers thought Reagan was cool.
phriot t1_ja98nfw wrote
If you don't count my early paper route, I've worked since I was 14. Since then, I've garnered enough degrees, credentials, and experience to earn a pretty good income. Statistically, I likely make more than you (edit: referring to OP). Maybe I don't, but there's a good chance I do. A UBI would have to be far beyond "basic," to get me to stop working. (I'll probably refocus my time and energy once I reach financial independence on my own, though.)
I still think that it's likely that automation will come for a large portion of the workforce during my working life. I still think that UBI is a better macroeconomic solution, and a more humane one, than something like a jobs guarantee. It's certainly better than just letting people fend for themselves and crash upon the current welfare system.
TheBlindIdiotGod t1_ja99f65 wrote
Meanwhile, in the 1800s…
I have taken notice that a substantial number of individuals on this platform exhibit a proclivity for indolence and a repulsion for toil. These persons frequently espouse the belief that the advancement of Industrialization shall ultimately supplant the majority of professions and thereby necessitate Welfare, this perspective appears to originate from a dearth of drive to labor and not from a sincere apprehension for the fate of employment.
Silly_Awareness8207 t1_ja99vzv wrote
Does it matter? Either way, we are all going to be unemployed.
Lesterpaintstheworld t1_ja9kvcn wrote
Is this written by ChatGPT? Definitely sounds like it 😄
TeamPupNSudz t1_ja9qckq wrote
I thought the same. Tried running it through OpenAI's detection tool but the post was too small.
rushmc1 t1_ja9qqug wrote
Can someone ban this joker? There is no point to this point but to attack other users with provocative nonsense. There is no argument made and it is not relevant to the subreddit.
Sandbar101 t1_ja9uevr wrote
…No I’m pretty sure it’s the unemployment. What exactly is your plan when the whole world achieves 50+% unemployment in the next few decades? Its not that people don’t want to work, its that people can’t work. At all. We still need food on our table.
Environmental-Ask982 t1_jaa145q wrote
This is so obviously a doomsday cult revolving around a millenarium and most of the people here are too arrogant and pretentious to realize it.
They have inside knowledge and see the harbingers of things to come.
They're not waiting for AGI, they're waiting for a Digital Jesus to liberate them and bring them to paradise so they can dab and say I told you so to all the unprepared non believers.
CesareGhisa t1_jaa2elr wrote
you are very right. nice to discuss about technology achievements and potential, but here looks like a doomsday cult.
DesertBoxing t1_ja94yv7 wrote
Life follows the easiest path like all things. Why would you use your fingers to get at the ants when you can use a stick hmm?
OGgwl4 t1_ja9hhmr wrote
It does not come from a lack of wanting to work. But a recognition of the progress and potential future progress of ai.
Liberty2012 t1_ja9o3vy wrote
I think it is rather the majority of individuals just want to pursue other work or interests that they hope AI will provide in some manner directly or indirectly.
As to whether this will work out as some hope is certainly worthy of thought exploration, but I think the motives for most are not exactly as you have stated them.
KidKilobyte t1_ja9xbxo wrote
I’ll bet you’re a judgmental insufferable ass in your life.
SalishSeaview t1_ja9xk7k wrote
Nice standing-up of a straw man to get people to discuss a heady topic.
HumanSeeing t1_ja9mbpb wrote
You sound like some close to human level AI that is being trial run in some authoritarian dystopia. "Beep.Boop. It has come to my attention that certain number of humans in this subreddit are a certain way and that is against my programming. Beep. Boop."
sumiveg t1_ja9oln0 wrote
Sharp_Soup_2353 t1_ja9v4x6 wrote
ok boomer
AvgAIbot t1_ja9wc45 wrote
Thanks for a good laugh boomer
Chad_Abraxas t1_ja9xawp wrote
Did you build an AI chatbot to pull all those big words out of Ayn Rand's texts, or did you do it yourself?
CesareGhisa t1_jaa13fz wrote
You are very right. I hope there will be a substantial UBI for unemployed people or people who do not like to work. But in this subreddit I also notice the suspicious tendency of many people who show disappointment towards the idea that some jobs will not disappear (like surgeons, plumbers, health care and so on). They dont want UBI, they want that UBI will be the only choice. They want everybody will earn the same as them.
gangstasadvocate t1_jaa8gya wrote
Gang gang that’s my position that I advocate. Sit around taking drugs all day with UBI.
gay_manta_ray t1_jaakp4i wrote
when you finally get your first real job you'll find out what most people do at work and realize just how stupid this sounds
Capitaclism t1_jaarv1s wrote
I'm glad you removed the description to this post, because it was a really bad take.
talon_4618 t1_jaa0174 wrote
jlpt1591 t1_ja97pow wrote
A correct observation
m1st3r_c t1_ja92gz8 wrote
Isn't that the overall point of technology and automation? More time for yourself, to pursue your passions?