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Songmuddywater t1_izebu09 wrote

Reply to comment by Cypher1492 in A Swedish study of over 200,000 people who tested positive for SARS-CoV-2 between March 2020 and July 2021 has found that women, people with asthma and those with previous mental health disorders are more likely to experience long-term effects of COVID-19. by MistWeaver80

So you think you know more than the CDC. Ok, you are a serious science denier and an absolute horrible human being for making the claim that a real and proven medical problem is all in people's head. Are you one of those people who likes to yell at people in wheelchairs that they really can walk and to stop being lazy?

https://www.cdc.gov/lyme/signs_symptoms/index.html

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Cypher1492 t1_izec3qd wrote

Lyme disease and "chronic lyme" are two different things. And I'm not the one making the claim that anything is "all in one's head" . You are the one putting those words in my mouth. Mental illness is real and just as serious as other illnesses.

Edit: and by the way the link you shared contains a link to the NIH page on chronic lyme

>Because of the confusion in how the term CLD is employed, and the lack of a clearly defined clinical definition, many experts in this field do not support its use.

> In patients who have non-specific symptoms after being treated for Lyme disease and who have no evidence of active infection (patients with PTLDS), studies have shown that more antibiotic therapy is not helpful and can be dangerous.

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Songmuddywater t1_izecu8u wrote

You didn't click on the link. Here's the very beginning that I'm copying and pasting for you. Straight from the CDC.

"Untreated Lyme disease can produce a wide range of symptoms, depending on the stage of infection. These include fever, rash, facial paralysis, and arthritis."

Untreated Lyme disease is the same thing as chronic lyme disease. Again we have a well-known and accepted by the medical profession chronic disease which can be treated and cured by long-term doses of antibiotics. This is something that in years past they made fun of people and called them hypochondriacs even as their bodies were shutting down, their hair was falling out, and they were in crippling pain every day. But now we have ample evidence to prove that this is a real thing and it has real treatments.

And even though every medical establishment admits it's a real thing. You are still stuck in the backward belief system that it's okay to make fun of women in pain. Wow, the fact that people like you exist in society makes me sad.

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Cypher1492 t1_izeded8 wrote

As you can see from my edit I did indeed click the link.

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Songmuddywater t1_izedm46 wrote

Now that you will be have been caught you're just playing word games instead of apologizing. How sad.

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Cypher1492 t1_izeeso0 wrote

Word games? I made the edit before you even posted your response. Perhaps if you had read the link you provided more thoroughly you would have noticed the link to the NIH page regarding CLD.

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Songmuddywater t1_izeg91h wrote

And yet you are still climbing that someone who has untreated long-term Lyme disease is suffering from a mental problem and doesn't need antibiotics. Your posts still up. With any luck you will live to have to deal with doctors as they don't listen to you and treat you like crap when you try to explain real problems you are having. Karma usually finds a way to bite.

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Cypher1492 t1_izegz1x wrote

And you continue to put words in my mouth and deny the serious nature of mental illness. If you read the NIH page I linked you will see that there is no evidence that prolonged treatment with antibiotics is helpful when treating PTLD or CLD and that it may actually be harmful to patients.

Again, mental illness is real illness. Being diagnosed with a mental illness is not a doctor "treating you like crap" or an implication that your issues are imaginary.

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Songmuddywater t1_izfb37x wrote

So according to you even though it is acknowledged by the CDC and other health organizations that such a condition exists. Because we don't have perfect treatment for it, we must treat everyone suffering from it as if they are mentally ill.

You now have no right to make fun of anyone in the 1980s who treated people with AIDS badly. Because you have the same mindset.

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Cypher1492 t1_izfff0q wrote

From the CDC page you linked, under the "FAQ" section (emphasis mine):

> What is "chronic Lyme disease"?

>>Lyme disease is caused by infection with the bacterium Borrelia burgdorferi. Although most cases of Lyme disease can be cured with a 2- to 4-week course of oral antibiotics, patients can sometimes have symptoms of pain, fatigue, or difficulty thinking that last for more than 6 months after they finish treatment. This condition is called ”Post-Treatment Lyme Disease Syndrome” (PTLDS). The term “chronic Lyme disease” (CLD) is also sometimes used; however, this term has been used to describe a wide variety of different conditions and therefore can be confusing. Because of the confusion in how the term CLD is employed, experts do not support its use (Feder et al.,2007 www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMra072023). For more information, see the National Institutes of Health — “Chronic Lyme Disease”.

So it is not, however much you try to claim it, acknowledged by the CDC.

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Songmuddywater t1_izfhwka wrote

So you admit that it's an issue. You admit the experts know about it and admit that people can be long term suffers of Lyme. You admit that professionals including the CDC and medical doctors use the term chronic fine as well as other words to describe the syndrome.

But you still think that women who have long-term symptoms of Lyme disease or mentally ill and don't deserve to be treated medically. Because they are women they should never have symptoms listen to by a medical professional. They should always assume that when a woman claims pain that it's in her head.

Wow! This is a level of sexism I haven't encountered in a long time. Even the groups who hate women don't go this far.

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Cypher1492 t1_izfndge wrote

Please read what I actually said.

> mentally ill and don't deserve to be treated medically

You keep insisting that mental illness is somehow "not real" and isn't treated medically which is simply not true. Mental illness is medical illness.

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