Ear_Enthusiast t1_jd3buo1 wrote
Reply to comment by fusion260 in Video shows Va. deputies pile on top of Irvo Otieno before his death by fusion260
Who even knows if he was actually struggling? They practically buried him alive. He was cuffed. How many people does it take to restrain a cuffed man?
Hiltson87 t1_jd42kx4 wrote
Generally, more than you would think. Even a sober person can put up a surprising amount of fight when fight or flight response kicks in.
Vividly remember it taking like 6 adults to hold my brother down to get bloodwork when he was 5 or 6 and that was while having significant medical issues. He was just that terrified of needles and his flight or fought response was a lot even for being a little kid.
That said, I just don't see any real fight coming from the victim here. Movement looks minimal and the LEO response obviously wildly over the top. Don't see how anyone could justify their actions.
Not sure I agree with charging the medical staff though. It's not really reasonable to expect them to have intervened. Morally maybe, but they could just as easily end up dead trying to stop the police here.
Bigolecattitties t1_jdao5hj wrote
No it takes that many people to hold a child still possibly so they can find a vein. They weren’t trying to find this guys vein or give him a shot. They weren’t holding him down to administer treatment, so I don’t see how thats the same thing like at all
oddistrange t1_jdq9ja3 wrote
It's a bit concerning that a nurse gave this man when he appeared quite limp sedating medication after he had been physically manhandled. Several grown adults laying across him for several minutes, and now he's limp. I would hope a nurse in that position would reassess if the indication of the order matches the presentation of the patient. If the indication for the IM medication was agitation, then I mainly saw that in the behavior of the deputies rather than the patient and victim.
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