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Locksmith-Pitiful OP t1_j1we3w9 wrote

Reply to comment by Sarcofaygo in Brett Smiley looks to change / eliminate bicycle lane on South Water Street by Locksmith-Pitiful

> Do you actually think it's possible to make Providence suitable for traveling without cars?

Considering we are one of the smallest, densest cities around yet other modern cities do it, I think the question answers itself.

It becomes challenging when people continually fight against public transit and this accessible infrastructure though... Quite hard to even walk 5 minutes without nearly being killed, but hey, we got parking 🥴

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Sarcofaygo t1_j1wejep wrote

Would you say that many bikers choosing to use the sidewalk instead of the bike lanes right next to them is helping increase or decrease support for more bike lanes?

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Locksmith-Pitiful OP t1_j1weyq0 wrote

Pointing to a few bikers using sidewalks is such a deflection and I hope you're not using it as any reasonable argument. I have never seen this used in any meetings or in any community so I have no idea. I've never seen a cyclist use one either except a few children.

If anything, a cyclist (or even a kid) using the sidewalk likely indicates a safe lane should be constructed.

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Sarcofaygo t1_j1wfp7c wrote

I'm talking about when a bike lane is available....

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Locksmith-Pitiful OP t1_j1wfyw3 wrote

Why are you posing hypotheticals that rarely, if ever, happen?

My answer above is applicable.

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Sarcofaygo t1_j1wgcn6 wrote

It's actually very common for bikers to be extremely aloof. Like the ones who bike directly In traffic when a sidewalk is available. It's a hazard for both themselves and the people driving

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Locksmith-Pitiful OP t1_j1wgpe9 wrote

>Like the ones who bike directly In traffic when a sidewalk is available

That's the law. Maybe they should have an accessible lane on the street.

And wait, weren't we talking about riding on the sidewalk?

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Sarcofaygo t1_j1wifmn wrote

I'm using it as an example of how biking and cars do not coexist well in general. Both the bicyclist and the automobile driver are put into danger. Especially at night. Idc if it's legal, it's not safe

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Locksmith-Pitiful OP t1_j1wj8l9 wrote

I agree. It's also not safe for them to be on sidewalks.

Let's not blame the 10 pound bicycle... Maybe, just maybe, 5 ton vehicles that 16 year olds can drive with little training weren't a good idea - that's my super liberal part talking.

Let's build safe, accessible, streets for everyone.

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Sarcofaygo t1_j1wla3s wrote

Banning cars & buses isn't gonna happen, sorry

And doing so would probably disproportionately impact disabled people who can't ride a bike... Doesn't sound very "liberal" to me!

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Locksmith-Pitiful OP t1_j1wnymu wrote

I never insinuated banning cars, please reread what I wrote. If you're going to operate a motor vehicle, you should have much, much more training and continual renewal. This is a big reason why so many people die on the road, bad drivers.

You've also strawmanned and deflected so many of my points. We get it. You hate bikes.

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