Glystopher t1_j8nl7ao wrote
Reply to comment by LurkersWillLurk in Do you want a Roosevelt Blvd Subway? Tell the Delaware Valley Regional Planning Commission ASAP! by markskull
With all the good jobs in KOP, they really should blow the money to do that. If I leave where I work in town my next job will likely be out in KOP
markskull OP t1_j8nm48l wrote
I was all for the KOP project for a long time, but the problem is (literally) the NIMBY's who opposed it going along an existing corridor that would have cut costs and made it efficient.
I'm still inherently for it, but between the ballooning cost and the overall low predicted ridership estimates, if I had to pick this project or the Roosevelt Blvd Subway, I'm rooting for the subway.
Glystopher t1_j8o3yzo wrote
What about all the folks that still have to deal with 76 then? Ugh.
Edit: low ridership estimates? why would people that commute to KOP not use it if it did exist??? Who really likes driving that much to sit on 76 twice a day?
Thanks for the fucking downvotes those that have downvoted, grr.
markskull OP t1_j8o8d9b wrote
I think more people, ideally, would use the KoP extension, but SEPTA's estimates have it low. Keep in mind people traveling 76 would both need to get to a station and then from their station of choice to wherever they need to go.
If KoP Station was right at the mall that would be amazing, but that isn't the case thanks to all the NIMBY's who opposed the project and forced SEPTA to change the route.
hatramroany t1_j8of2b6 wrote
>If KoP Station was right at the mall that would be amazing
One of the proposed stations (Allendale) will be literally attached to the mall?
adwvn t1_j8otjuf wrote
I'm might be confused. The idea is that a mall is going to attract high demand for Philadelphians to travel to KOP on the railroad? That's absurd. Malls are going extinct. I would never leave Philadelphia to go to a suburb for the sake of a shopping mall.
danstecz t1_j8pwofn wrote
As much as I hate KOP it is not going extinct. The mall has tons of luxury stores that are not found elsewhere in the area, including Center City. It is a huge tourist draw. It serves all the households on the Main Line with money up the wazoo.
Malls such as Plymouth Meeting are failing but KOP will be fine.
adwvn t1_j8q7qtu wrote
That's interesting. I'm still very skeptical though, because the only time I hear about people that live in Philly travelling to KOP to do shopping, is when I read an article or reddit thread on the topic of the new rail line. I don't know any friend or coworker that does their shopping by travelling to suburbs. Everyone orders online. I've lived in Philadelphia for 7 years. I've never been to KOP to my knowledge, and doubt I'd ever want to go there ever in my lifetime.
And I've never heard anyone describe KOP as a tourist draw before. Tourists from where? I'm really curious because most people have never heard of KOP unless you're from this region.
AbsentEmpire t1_j8tbdk9 wrote
KOP mall just expanded it's very popular and will continue to be well into the future.
The malls that are dying tend to be ones with a middle to lower economic appeal. High end is doing better than ever.
Additionally the build out of the KOP /202 region over the last decade has been nothing less than amazing. The DVRPC projects that area to grow faster than the city both in residential and jobs over the coming decades.
Glystopher t1_j8oaa9w wrote
Last mile from to station is solved by these new and awesome personal battery powered gadgets that are also fun to ride! E skate, unicycle, scoot, bike, what have you. It’s more practical for the smaller e-transport devices especially, carry on train , ride a mile after you get off train.
markskull OP t1_j8odt5f wrote
While I largely agree, we both know that isn't a workable solution for a number of folks. To further complicate matters, the entire area is a car-focused death trap for pedestrians or anyone not in a car.
While there are some nearby offices, there are a lot that are a few miles away from the mall and that creates its own problem.
So it could be a great catalyst long-term, but that would really require Montgomery County to really change their zoning laws and focus on more pedestrian-focused solutions.
Glystopher t1_j8ojtoz wrote
I’m gonna continue to risk injury and death by not driving a car around other cars and instead ride one of the listed things, or a motorcycle. Someone’s got to get out there and go against the grain of always using cars…
I’ve already got titanium in both legs from being hit on the sidewalk inside the city, rolling the dice on more medical repairs, fuck it.
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