Citizen is reporting that a two-year-old girl was shot in the leg

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Wonder how fast Kenney would be at the scene if this happened in Ritten House Sqaure or Chestnut Hill instead of an impoverished minority neighborhood.

No arrests?

MANDATORY 4K

it’s nice out, always something terrible happens when it’s nice out :(

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So does the linked article's headline

The teens are not ok

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It just happened. They wouldn’t even have had time to sit down and look at the footage lol

Looks like the headline changed after the article was posted

6 people shot. 4 teens, a 31 yo woman and a 2 yo.

give it a rest, Kenney doesn't give nearly enough of a shit to go to those neighborhoods either

The idea is the person responsible would already be in custody

Edit: people are taking me literally? For fucks sake, MANDATORY 4K would enable police to already be tracking the movements of suspects and an arrest would happen by morning. This would be the case in like 90% of shootings. Imagine.

no they really aren't, this country has some serious cultural issues it needs to figure out

IDK, he was fast as hell to the scene when the trash truck driver was shot in the nice NE neighborhood last year.

Chances are people on the other Philadelphia reddit page know the suspects and the victims. I usually check over there since they have more info on these types of incidents.

Yeah having savvy social media types and people good at computers is part of mandatory 4K too. I mean right now it's a bunch of drooling boomers trying to do detective work with thumbs up their asses.

So the mayor showed up when a city employee was shot, that's a bit different

Really? So why wasn’t there when the parks and rec. worker was gunned down in West Philly?

What you said was spot on. Be prepared to get downvoted to hell by the PPD apologist and extreme right wingers. They’ve already started on one of your comments.

I wish a large group of activists cared about these black lives. I guess there’s just no money in it. sad

Reported by USA Today on the 20th:

“Mass shootings in 2023 outpace 2022. There have been 82 mass shootings this year, compared to 59 at the same time last year.”

That’s a pretty significant increase, our country is not well.

Why don't you tell me since you sound like you know, and it's not like he ignored it.

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>Mayor Jim Kenney released a statement

"Words alone cannot express the outrage, hurt and sadness all of her colleagues feel tonight. I was beyond appalled to learn of this heinous and senseless crime that has completely devastated so many people, especially her family.

Today, like every day, Tiffany went to work at Millcreek Rec Center to serve the community and people she loved and serve as a role model for her children. Now, a family is left grief stricken, colleagues are in mourning, and a community is left to cope with this unimaginable loss. I share my deepest condolences with those who knew and loved Tiffany. To all of our City colleagues hurting tonight, please know that supports are available."

The blue lives boner crowd is really dumb. With simple resources and time I'd bet I could do better solving shootings using reverse image search and some open source AI shit. Honestly I think AI will end up being a great tool for murder police, if blue would ever stop delivering faxes by hand

The people who got shot probably know the shooter. Wonder if they’re willing to break omertà in the case of a 2 year old getting shot.

An impromptu emergency protest was organized for a formerly aggressive, now dead pit bull in minutes because its owner was crying instead of taking responsibility in silence. To respond to your statement, I, too wish protests would ensue to demand the police get better at solving shootings.

Stop moving the goal post. Why didn’t he show up to the scene?

7 people shot. 5 teens, 31 and 2 year old

You tell me, you sound like you know

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Terrible things happen when it's shitty out bro. Terrible things happen all the fucking time in this city.

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Fortunately whoever did seems to have been a terrible shot

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The people with time and money who do stuff like that, do it to make themselves feel good. It’s not about the community.

Absolutely terrible. Until parents start taking a bigger role in their children’s lives along with the glorification of drug dealing and the street life ends, nothing will change

At least it looks like none of the victims are going to die.

Well that would require department overhaul, and implementation of more efficient practices, which the police union has been fighting very successfully for decades.

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This. This summarizes it perfect. I know it’s been mentioned. But 6 people. Not 5, 6. Including 5 minors, one of which being a baby. 5 children by law shot.

And they’d be out on bail the next morning. I too want to see 4K cameras, but we also need stricter judges & DAs. We could also end cash bail and have all repeat offenders await trial for violent and gun-related crimes in jail.

Say what you will about the tenets of MANDATORY 4K, but at least it's an ethos

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This country also has some serious gun proliferation issues it needs to figure out.

It's the guns.

The proliferation of guns is the problem.

The police don't police anymore.

Cameras aren't going to deter shootings if the police refuse to investigate or make arrests.

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Why even report on it anymore

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It's a hopeless feeling seeing this shit every day. What is wrong with these kids? Why do people choose to do this? Makes no sense to me.

Was wondering why a chopper was circling while I was sitting on my back patio after finishing work. Same as the last weekend with the cop shooting.

Guess I should just assume there was a terrible shooting less than a mile away whenever I have a chopper circling now.

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The police can’t fix this. The police can only respond to events. Politicians can’t fix it either. Laws don’t matter in a lawless society. Trust me, that part of Philadelphia and many other areas are lawless. We basically depend on most people to be decent. Laws are fucking meaningless to people who don’t give a fuck.

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The police are only as effective when the public work with them. There are a few bad cops but we have gotten to the point in society where we view cops as all bad and all working against us. I really hate that narrative. It’s constantly perpetuated on Reddit. I don’t know why anyone would want the job of being a cop and we expect them to fix the murder rate. There is zero logic in how society views law enforcement

You could try to argue that it’s disproportionate, but saying you have no idea where the anti-police sentiment is coming from is just bad faith. I personally even have cooperated with them before and they were goddamn insufferable.

Ok well why comment then

No yellowtail Pinot Grigio then he’ll be mia

> this country has some serious cultural being-completely-inundated-with-guns issues it needs to figure out

FTFY

Until every random idiot and/or teen in America no longer has easy access to guns, nothing will change.

Our country has a death cult obsessed with flooding every corner of our society with guns. You're damn right we're not well.

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It’s also cultural. The teens feel they need to compete and act in violence. That’s cultural. Criminal TikTok challenges is cultural.

Until every parent can work 1 or 0 jobs and provide a good life for their kids nothing will change.

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Sharpton was just in Delaware. Too bad he can't take a short drive north to deal with this one.

I don't need to shake a magic 8 ball to figure out the answer to this one.

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It's hard to make arrests when the public would rather allow these pieces of shit to continue to walk the streets.

this to me is missing from previous years, no prominent activist or church to protest this nonsense, should be marches everywhere in the city everyday, just got a bunch running for Mayor talking but not saying much, it takes a village

I don’t think people think all cops are bad, just frustration with soft strike, I do agree however why would anyone want to be a cop, pay isn’t that great especially outside of city

Stop giving lazy POS cops excuses for not doing their jobs.

The PPD should be defunded.

Sharpton can’t do it all, too bad the area doesn’t have someone local to advocate for peace & help the communities & police with all of this

don’t agree a parent can work & still teach values & discipline, back in the day the neighbors were respected & helped keep an eye out on the kids on the block

Law enforcement is largely ineffective, financially inefficient, and operates with impunity. Shocking people don’t like it. If you still believe there are a “few” bad cops I don’t know where to go with you.

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Why isn’t this national news? Oh wait. I know why.

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It's already illegal for under 21s to have handguns. This is culturally driven. Go to R Slash PhillyWiki and see what drives this.

Why were the shooters dressed to ski then? Were they cold?

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>back in the day the neighbors were respected & helped keep an eye out on the kids on the block

That's not our culture anymore.

And I agree with your above statement, but if parents are working multiple jobs, then they may have less time/ability to be active in their children's lives.

There were always be the cloud of personal responsibility hanging over everything, but when the system is stacked against success...

Social media is cultural, increasing fatherlessness and destruction of the nuclear family is cultural, inability to handle conflict without violence is cultural, zoomers having increasing rates of suicidal ideation is cultural, young men becoming increasingly isolated and single is cultural.

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Are parents soooo much better in other countries that their kids don’t ever get into trouble? Doubtful. It’s just that those kids don’t have and can’t get any guns.

Disagree. And even if you are right, the people today shouldn’t have so many guns if it’s the people that have changed.

There are close to 400,000,000 guns in this country. It’s far too easy for these teens and any other idiot to get their hands on guns and ammo. There is absolutely no common sense or mind for public safety in the ways we manufacture and distribute guns in America. A few very common sense measures would probably go a long way in reducing gun violence over time, but that would likely mean gun manufacturers would lose some money, and the NRA would lose some political influence, so we can’t have that.

All had extended clips, all jumped out and started shooting in the general direction of the victim. These douchebags injure 6 when their targeting 1 because they "spray and pray" and don't value anyone else but themselves.

It was on the CBS Morning Show which is national. We're just the east coast Chicago at this point

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It's not high profile enough for him. He's nothing more than a piece of shit grifter.

He wouldn’t go there either, stop trying to make this shooting about race. Kenney doesn’t give a shit regardless of your skin color.

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The thing that always gets me about what you said is that those guns didn’t just appear out of midair, someone legally bought them and possessed them before the teens did. We need much better tools for pursuing straw buyers or sellers (presumably mostly private and not FFLs) who sell guns to teens and people who’d fail a background check. That should be the highest priority law enforcement action for reducing gun violence.

Helicopters are urban buzzards in today's society.

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can't wait for a surveillance society that gives police more power because a very very small minority of philadelphians are fucking things up for everyone.

There were far fewer guns in circulation back in the 90s than there are today.

Faulty logic that undermines every law ever made. Murders don’t follow the murder laws, rapist don’t follow the rape laws, so I guess those laws are useless as well?

And the fact is, the largest worldwide studies conclude that some very simple, nationwide changes to gun laws have reduced gun violence in other countries by significant amounts.

https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/2016/2/29/11120184/2016-gun-control-study-epidemiologic-reviews-deaths

https://www.science.org/content/article/three-types-laws-could-reduce-gun-deaths-more-10

None of the proposed laws would restrict would be gun owners from purchasing guns. Just like having to register your car and get a license doesn’t actually restrict people from owning and driving cars. What it does do is link people to their weapons and make them more responsible for what happens to their guns. Responsible gun owners don’t make straw purchases and they don’t “lose” their guns or have their house broken into and their guns “stolen.”

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I can't either!

Then we are in agreement that private gun transfers need more regulation. It’s not really that hard to find a consensus when you’re obviously using common sense. Nobody is saying “take everyone’s gun,” “there should be no guns.” At least I’m not. My point was and is that we are ridiculous in the way we recklessly treat the distribution and transfer of our guns. Even worse is that the laws are different state to state. Illinois has tough gun laws? New Jersey too? No problem I can just take a 15 min ride to Indiana or Pennsylvania, problem solved. It’s just a dumb way to do things.

Why don’t you become a cop? I’m serious., So many think they could do a better job but would never take the job.

So many problems and parents being their kids friend instead of their parents is at or near the top of the list. No way a real parent doesn’t know what their kids are up to.

Also, let’s not forget, dude, that keeping wildlife, an amphibious rodent, for, you know, domestic, within the city, that ain’t legal either.

Stop giving pieces of shits excuses for not caring about people being murdered.

Well, they can talk to the cops who won’t protect them, won’t close their murder case when they get killed in retaliation, and have probably harassed them or someone they know, or they can keep quiet and live. It’s not difficult math to figure out why the cops don’t get cooperation. All of that treating citizens as the enemy and stop and frisk turns out to have some blowback.

Summer time is trauma season. The trauma bays are always more full of gunshot wounds in the summer. The nice weather does bring out the terrible things.

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Prob have an unstable home life, no hope for a better future. Only thing they feel like they do have is their current rep and respect of their peers and would kill for it. Long term gains is hard to keep in sight when you could die tomorrow so they live fast, die young.

Not saying it's right, but when all your peers are in on it and there's no good role model present... I get it.

I could do a better job but I make 50% more than a cop and have a job I love. Why would I become a pig? Just because I won’t become a cop doesn’t mean I can’t want a more efficient and effective service. I hate that my mechanic takes too long but it doesn’t mean I should become a mechanic.

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I don’t consider gun owners to be enemies. I honestly don’t own guns, never felt the need to have one and wasn’t brought up around them. I’ve lived 40 years without ever having or feeling like I need a gun.

With that in mind, I believe it’s on responsible gun owners to want for our national situation with guns to be solved. It’s not a great position for normal people to be in where they have to basically defend what feels like a free for all for violent criminals. I don’t understand the logic of the rationale of a mindful gun owner that sees how we do things and the resulting culture of violence and crime and shrugs their shoulders like “na we shouldn’t change anything.” If guns were my thing and a part of my daily life, I think I’d be even more vocal about having more common sense. Instead of getting defensive, the true rightful gun people should get offensive and proactive, not drag their feet. That’s just my opinion.

Edit: I think responsible gun owners arguing against any new reform is the best case for banning all guns. If even the most responsible gun owners lack a rational thought process when it comes to these weapons, then maybe the cause is lost and the only solution should be no more guns. Like I said, I think it would behoove common sense, responsible gun owners to have a more pragmatic view on gun laws and possible reform, rather than just kicking and a screaming the moment it’s brought up.

Yeah but we won't. There's absolutely nothing Philadelphia can do to reduce availability of guns. Thanks to SCOTUS there's not much any state or local government can do and even Congress' hands are tied. So, gotta think of what we can do which is to get these kids to stop shooting each other over stupid shit. Hell at this point just give them shooting classes so they can actually hit their targets without spraying the whole block in bullets.

So I'll give you the answer poor Black teens have given me. Some of them just want to live fast, die young and leave a good looking corpse but most of them don't want to live this way but they have no choice. If everybody has a gun you need one too. If turning the other cheek marks you as weak and invites further transgression you have to fight back to survive. If you can't trust the cops to enforce the law when someone steals from you or assaults someone you care about, you take the law into your own hands.

It's an endless cycle of violence and retribution that often spans generations. The kid holding the gun has usually lost a father, uncle, cousin or brother to gun violence and the kid he's pointing out at has too.

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We also need civil penalties for people who improperly store firearms in their glove box since that’s the single biggest avenue weapons take to the illegal market. Insane that I had more liability as a bartender than these jackoffs have with weapon-related negligence.

Motherfucker either keep that shit strapped to your body or leave it at home.

E: source https://everytownresearch.org/gun-thefts-from-cars-the-largest-source-of-stolen-guns/

Then the ATF should stop wasting time and resources on regulating pistol braces and actually focus on real issues.

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They’re waiting for next year so they can tell us food, statues and anyone who isn’t a democrat is racist.

Unfortunately, whatever the solution is to our societal woes, it will neither be immediate nor simple. We're talking multiple generations, comprehensive type of change, the scope of which is approaching impossibility. Doesn't mean we shouldn't try, but we're just so, so deep in.

Uh huh, sure.

Yeah, I’m getting older now and those 55+ gated communities are starting to look pretty damn good. I’ve been struggling with the streets of Philadelphia for 30+ years (adult years) and it’s no longer fun. I imagine it’s nice if you can afford to live in a wealthy community but anything outside that can get pretty bleak at times. I understand why so many fled cities in the 70’s. It could happen again.

The gun cultists can't handle the truth so they downvote. Symptomatic of the problem with our country.

It's true that America also has a deeply violent culture that doesn't seem to exist in most other developed countries.

But even if we had all of that, but no unfettered access to guns for literally everyone, we wouldn't have this amount of shootings.

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The ATF should be allowed to computerize records to make it easier to trace illegal guns back to the last legal owner. That would be a game changer.

Yes! If your gun is stolen out of your glovebox or dresser drawer or any other insecure location! Safes and trigger locks should be a standard expectation for storage!

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Imagine what kind of person would downvote a comment like this and who prefers to cling to their guns at the expense of our children being killed every day.

Dude, there have been shootings in Rittenhouse Square and in front of City Hall and Kenny has ignored those as well.

Everytown is a truly horrible source

Gun cultists. The price of all these innocent lives is one they're happy to pay so they can have their collections of death toys.

Political punching bag that is a vastly underrated place to live?

At BK, have it your way. You rule!

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It is

The nice weather does bring out the terrible things

You mean people?

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I meant that at the time of my post, all but one was a limb wound and the chest one was stable, so everyone will be okay ultimately

I haven’t seen it once mentioned in any major news networks.

My friends who work in the ER say “Sun’s out, guns out.” :(

Do you work with these kids?