HEIMDVLLR OP t1_j2zm1n1 wrote
> Last fall, the NYU Stern adjunct professor shot more than 90 videos documenting daytime traffic at random Midtown intersections and found TLC plates made up 36.3 of all vehicles on the road.
> "They are three times more prevalent than taxis and by far the dominant vehicle in the streets, in Midtown, during the weekdays," Riccio said.
> He argues it was a big mistake allowing the city's 100,000 ride-share vehicles to flood the market with minimal fees compared to taxis a decade ago. He proposes for-hire vehicles should be targeted first under congestion pricing and for their drivers to pay a permit fee.
If you drive regularly throughout the tri-state area, you already knew this.
Edit:
I honestly believe the rideshare companies are behind the “fuckcars”, “carbrains”, “ban personal cars” blitz.
Lime is owned by Uber and CitiBike is owned by Lyft. I never seen or heard this much hate for personal car ownership from Native New Yorkers until recently.
MillennialNightmare t1_j2zo8zm wrote
The increase in criticism of personal car ownership is probably influenced by a couple of things.
One being how many people went out and got cars during the pandemic. While TLC plates make up a ton of cars on the road, the increase in personal car ownership has made parking a nightmare. Combine that with the fact that people have realized they’d rather use streets for literally anything other than personal cars and you get where we are now.
The second is there are just more options now. The subways always been there along with busses, but dedicated street space to bus lanes has likely improved service in some areas allowing people to ditch their cars. Combine that with the fact that there are significantly more bike lanes and a (flawed but fairly widespread) bike share system available and again, people are just realizing cars aren’t as necessary as they once were.
parkerpyne t1_j304riq wrote
> While TLC plates make up a ton of cars on the road, the increase in personal car ownership has made parking a nightmare.
Has personal car ownership actually increased?
I am asking because back like eight or so years I ago I foolishly took a friend's car (she had just moved from Woodside to Manhattan on that day) and drove it back to Astoria to park it there at like 1:30 AM. I wound up driving around for 45 minutes like an idiot until I finally found a spot where I could park it.
End of July of 2022 I bought I car myself as I am in the process of moving out of the city and I don't find the parking situation in Astoria to be any worse (nor better) than it was back then. I wouldn't have wanted to own a car back then and I still don't want to and subsequently don't use my car unless I absolutely have to.
TeamMisha t1_j30e0m5 wrote
It should be on google but I believe car registrations were up citywide during pandemic, check state dmv.
parkerpyne t1_j30kg12 wrote
Hmmh, yeah, maybe. Should be said that I registered my car during that pandemic, too. But as explained, that wasn't because I consider it a viable conveyance in NYC and it was in preparation of a move away.
I reckon the weird migration streams that the pandemic created (I have a new pair of neighbors in my house that moved here from South Carolina and so far own a car) are skewing the numbers a bit. Once everything settles down, I reckon the numbers will be roughly what they were before.
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Desterado t1_j30ucpy wrote
16 percent eh? Where’s this number coming from
Training_Wealth_3062 t1_j30ktgf wrote
You can definitely tax and penalize people into not owning cars. Look at the Netherlands. It wasn't always a nearly car-free paradise. That's what we should aim for.
gerrys t1_j31tjf5 wrote
Additionally, a sharp increase in injuries and deaths caused by drivers. People are becoming “anti-car” because cars are mowing people down more often.
oreosfly t1_j2zoa3a wrote
> Lime is owned by Uber and CitiBike is owned by Lyft. I never seen or heard this much hate for personal car ownership from Native New Yorkers until recently.
Are you sure it isn't just Reddit? Most people don't live their life thinking about urban planning
ThinVast t1_j31109p wrote
100% just reddit. Even then, for most redditors here it's not really about urban planning. It's like pop science to them and they don't actually try to learn the nuances and the complexity of urban planning. So they really think it's just about hating on cars which is not the point. Nobody I know in real life especially my former professors that study urban planning express hatred of car as much as redditors.
Shoppinguin t1_j31f72s wrote
You absolutely don't need to be an expert to figure this out. Common sense is more than enough to do it. You have a given space for traffic in which you have to fit the transport demand in. Now go figure what works better to fit more people into a given space. Public transit or cars. Shared cars aren't supposedly as bad, as there are usually more people riding than if each of them had a car. I'm speechless how noone appears to have figured out that improving public transit is the answer to congestion. "Hate on cars" is just a lame excuse for laziness and not wanting sensible change. It's doesn't need hate to see why more lanes and more cars are no solution to congestion. Really, it's not that hard to figure out.
ThinVast t1_j33bya6 wrote
Except that there are users on reddit that legitimately hate the existence of cars and think vandalizing cars and blaming individuals for driving cars is part of the solution.
cdavidg4 t1_j33thie wrote
On the flip side there are users on reddit who can't comprehend a world where your can't drive to each and every residence/business and park directly out front. You see it every time a small street closure is proposed or parking is repurposed. All of sudden that small block or parking spot is the most essential in the whole neighborhood.
Key-Recognition-7190 t1_j34adj8 wrote
I can't speak for other users but I'd be absolutely okay with primarily using public transit if it wasn't a steaming pile of crap. The metric i use is simple when the mta system can run an 8th as efficiently as Tokyo rails I'll sell my car.
The_LSD_Soundsystem t1_j30smn7 wrote
It’s the transplants that have the “fuck cars” mentality in the nyc subs. Many of us who grew up here know that many people in the outer boroughs NEED a car in order to get anything done because there’s no trains the further out you go and also the buses are sparse at night.
dajman22 t1_j32shno wrote
My 45 min commute would be 2.5-3 hours without a car. I’ve done it a few times when my car was in the shop and it’s such a waste of time
jadedaid t1_j334ys1 wrote
You can get by without cars if you live in wburg/greenpoint/LIC/most of manhattan/etc. But if you're out in Bayridge and need to go about your day (or heaven forbid, visit family elsewhere in the outer boroughs) then doing it without a car is a hard sell.
gamelord12 t1_j33s1gn wrote
I can't imagine what needs to happen to a person to make car free living in Bay Ridge a hard sell.
09-24-11 t1_j34bxs6 wrote
There becomes a point where you need a car in outer borough. But this article is specifically talking about midtown gridlock. Driving from Howard Beach to midtown for work 5 days a week and dealing with the headache of traffic? Id have to guess that there is a break even between car expenses and paying more to live closer to work.
Of course comes down to individual situation and preferences.
The_LSD_Soundsystem t1_j34j71o wrote
What people sometimes do if they live really far out there is to drive to an train stop in the outer borough and take that the rest of the way. It really depends on how far your bus route is and how much of a pain it is to take it. Obviously this varies based on where you live.
If someone lives near the LIRR, it makes sense to just take that to midtown instead of the subway too.
09-24-11 t1_j34u4k2 wrote
Definitely. I can support that. I’m a car owner and try to be limited in use myself. People concerned about the environment and contributing to congregation have the right idea at heart but it’s not always pragmatic for all. Fuck cars people are an overreaction.
earlymountainrain t1_j2zrkim wrote
Everything we see on this sub is curated by a small group of anonymous accounts with varying editorial agendas and no transparency.
BxGeek79 t1_j31p0oh wrote
Thank you for this. Native New Yorkers who are older know that cars help folks and the anti-car sentiment does nothing to help us.
concerned_newyorker t1_j30g0nw wrote
Your belief is a fact. TransAlt took lot of donations from uber and lyft and suddenly all city council clowns are singing ban cars while literally video conferencing from backseat of taxpayer funded chauffeured cars. They are also paying lot of influencers on social media and thinktanks to push this urbanism car free cities narrative on twitter. Lot of it also has to do with suburban transplants who grew up with car culture in ohio so they hate cars but most of us immigrants and city dwellers who grew up in poor countries and been traveling in trains and buses and riding bikes since childhood know that cars improve standard of living and take you places nothing else can in any part of the world.
The goal of lyft and modern luxury condominium developers is to eliminate car ownership to take away streets for building more luxury condos and increase lyft and citibike dependency. they have already increased citibike annual fee to over $200 which i think is ridiculous as you can own a bike for $200.
lemming-leader12 t1_j30hyu8 wrote
Just because public transportation is used by poor people in America and the experience isn't that great doesn't mean that public transportation isn't used by everyone in other affluent countries. It's a pretty bad argument to just say that cars are better because poor people use public transportation or that cars are better because it's a socioeconomic upgrade for people on an individual level. None of that matters and frankly most of the things you mention don't even relate to eachother, like Lyft being in cahoots with luxury condo developers to to build more condos and increase citibike dependency? Lmao what? Like yeah man Citibank or Lyft or whatever is really trying to change the American fabric of transportation for its bike schemes, fuck banking or rideshares it's totally biking where the real profits are. I like not needing a car ever, the subway is the greatest thing and it only exists in NYC when it comes to America.
And miss me with that poor people shit because I grew up taking the bus in California, that shit sucks ass but I'm not dumb enough to think the problem is the bus when it's the fact that everything was A. designed for a car my family could not afford. and B. A lack of beefed up public transportation options.
09-24-11 t1_j34au3m wrote
Not disagreeing with you but just acknowledging the irony here. In 1956 the Highway Lobby (funded by the automobile industry) fought and won in DC to transition funds from building public transportation to building highways. The very same negative feeling you are having (big industry is funneling money to politicians to ultimately benefit big industry) already happened on this topic, just in the reverse order.
History is written by the Victors.
lemming-leader12 t1_j30h8vy wrote
No, people who don't want cars because it's better to have cities designed like European cities with better public transportation and not depend on a car that is expensive and costly to maintain are behind the "fuckcars" thing. That philosophy includes saying fuck rideshare cars as well.
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doubledipinyou t1_j30ka3q wrote
True but it's not just ride share cars. Someone in the comments pointed it out, it takes one simple mistake to create congestion, distracted driving, going too slow, breaking, looking for parking etc. That will slow down person number 2 and 3 and 4 and so forth
This happens a lot on THE LIE where traffic is bad before the cross island and than opens up and than slows down and than opens up. Usually behind every slow pileup there's miles of free space.
Difficult_Survey4715 t1_j2zn57z wrote
Perfectly said
InfernalTest t1_j32c5zs wrote
it is - and you are right ....
"Here’s where Uber and Lyft come in, and the local skirmish potentially takes a more broadly relevant twist. Meeker Ave Neighbors, the group behind the petition to halt the refurbishment, learned that Transportation Alternatives (TA), the muscular, decades-old bike lane advocacy group behind the plan, accepted a combined $125,000 from Uber and Lyft in 2020, along with donations from Revel, Bird, and Lime.
TA has undeniably facilitated otherwise-unavailable environmentally friendly transport throughout the city. It pushed the city to install the nation’s first protected bike lanes, lower the speed limit, and introduce Vision Zero, a plan to reduce traffic injuries (also a cornerstone of the de Blasio administration’s platform). It’s hard to argue with reducing traffic; the Brooklyn Queens Expressway running over the parking area is a backed-up exhaust vent that’s sickened nearby residents with some of the highest asthma rates in the city. Last year, New York City added the equivalent of 56.5 million tons of carbon dioxide to the atmosphere. We don’t have to reiterate that a case for cars over subways and bikes is a case for the end of life on Earth.
But it’s unclear why TA chooses to side with corporations whose tens of thousands of vehicles congest the streets and spend, on average, a third of their time idling and waiting for rides. It’s not the first transit group to do so; bike activists from national groups, Denver, San Francisco, and the UK have all taken money from rideshare companies. One former TA organizer who took a job at Lyft wrote, in self-defense, that the company “has pledged to support protected bike lanes and pedestrian safety infrastructure even when it does not benefit the bottom-line.”
https://gizmodo.com/a-small-war-over-bike-lanes-may-be-an-uber-and-lyft-con-1847795365
there are absolutely people paid to promote and spam threads here as part of the larger overall push for "bikes" and "congestion pricing " and leave the rest of the populace at the mercy of Uber and Lyft, to be the only alternative for people who cant use a bike and arent anywhere near (useful) transportation.
there is a poster here that REGULARLY spams this reddit and the other NYC reddit with a form letter to be sent to promote a bounty program for people to get paid for tickets written against cars.
it absolutely is organized.
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