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Imaginary_Cow_6379 t1_ix231sq wrote

🙄 The NY Post really shouldn’t be allowed to be posted. They’re a Rupert Murdoch owned rightwing propaganda rag. Their reporters are also Fox correspondents and astroturfers for charter schools. Theres a reason they’re pushing the narrative about how terrible public schools are.

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Pool_Shark t1_ix819qp wrote

The problem is they are one of the few local news sources without a paywall. So it’s basically down to the Post and Gothamist

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Imaginary_Cow_6379 t1_ix8hrvd wrote

That is a fair enough point. It is annoying The Daily News has paywalls. We do have tons of local papers tho that could always use more support!

NYC in general:

Brooklyn:

Bronx:

Manhattan:

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Imaginary_Cow_6379 t1_ix8hqe6 wrote

That is a fair enough point. It is annoying The Daily News has paywalls. We do have tons of local papers tho that could always use more support!

NYC in general:

Brooklyn:

Bronx:

Manhattan:

Queens:

Staten Island:

Long Island:

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Rtn2NYC t1_ix4e89g wrote

I agree re the post but the article is easily able to be criticized. Banning the post just gives their platform no pushback. If people read this crap and bring it here, engagement and sharing critical analysis is really the best way to de-polarize our current climate and encourage people to seek alternative sources instead of taking this propaganda at face value.

ETA: lol downvote all you want but I find it ironic that this assignment the NYP is reporting on is scaffolding for The Scarlet Letter, which of course is the book on which Arthur Miller’s play The Crucible is based. That play, you likely remember, was a critical metaphor of and pushback against McCarthyism - the right wing attempt to uncover and silence an ideology (in that case, communism officially but which targeted any socialist or ordinary left wing advocates).

Free society means we don’t ban books or the press- full stop. Censorship is burying your head in the sand- lazy and does nothing to combat bad ideas, and leads to the pendulum swinging too far the other way until we are again on the receiving end.

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2nd_Ave_Delilah t1_ix23x1o wrote

And you're saying they're not? This is fabricated?

Critique the assertion, not the source.

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Plane-Bee-374 t1_ix2dmhq wrote

So, if these hacks had taken a rudimentary journalism class in high school they’d know that this was an exercise to teach the kids the 5Ws.

They use the three bears or another fairytale because everyone knows the stories and it’s a good example of who, what, where, why, when and how.

We did a fair bit of text analysis of famous stories (fairy tales, the moon landing, watergate) all through high school and college as a way to learn journalistic skills- as well as writing exercises.

Also, it’s perfectly fine to critique the source as a means to evaluate the credibility of the assertion especially in cases where there is a lack of evidence.

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mechadizzy t1_ix4uhko wrote

>So, if these hacks had taken a rudimentary journalism class in high school they’d know that this was an exercise to teach the kids the 5Ws

I learned the 5Ws in sixth grade by reading The Hobbit as assigned reading material. In a school that was zoned for the projects. What is happening to public schools that high schoolers are learning the 5Ws with childrens books?

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Longjumping_Vast_797 t1_ix398qn wrote

The results speak for themselves. I actually still have my 2nd grade assignments in a box. This assignment, and the handwriting are 3rd grade level.

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Imaginary_Cow_6379 t1_ix249ie wrote

The source is paid to push this “viewpoint”. I have kids in the NYC school system and it’s disgusting how these hacks want to attack our schools because they want that charter school money.

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Infinite_Carpenter t1_ix359pz wrote

Charter schools are terrible in every way. From student outcomes, to tax payer cost, to impact on public schools. Charter schools offer few benefits and many detriments.

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IIAOPSW t1_ix3hy4i wrote

The thing about "critique the assertion not the source" is that "the cost of producing bullshit is much lower than the cost of debunking it." At some point, if you you have a particular source of assertions, and their assertions repeatedly turn out to be bullshit, its fair to stop giving the benefit of the doubt that their next assertion might not be bullshit.

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WickhamAkimbo t1_ix3rwkk wrote

They also report accurately on a number of important stories that other outlets in the city ignore because they reflect poorly on the Democratic party that controls the state. Recently, that includes stories about crime in the city.

Since these stories are ignored by more reputable outlets, demands to remove the Post generally just look like attempts to censor information that is unflattering to your political leanings.

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Rtn2NYC t1_ix4eze4 wrote

This issue is not being ignored, reading methodology is a hot topic in academia and has been covered by multiple reputable papers of record across the country. They’re actually pretty late to the game on this one and no mention of how methodologies and textbooks are often dictated by big business or conservative ideology (TX is a big influencer of textbooks).

I read the Post too, but it’s important to actively google the topic and read other sources, especially when an article evokes anger and is very light on context, background analysis and balanced perspective.

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