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Shortthelongs t1_ixj1k8b wrote

Reply to comment by dust1990 in A Railroad Strike Could Lead to a Literal Shitshow in NYC by arrogant_ambassador

There seems to be a lot of missing details in this reporting... How does the poo freight leave NYC to begin with? Via the commuter rail/Amtrak tunnels?

Or does all this poo go to NJ or upstate freight yards first via barge and truck anyway?

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OverlordXenu t1_ixkmhtf wrote

> Or does all this poo go to NJ or upstate freight yards first via barge and truck anyway?

how does this matter if there aren't rail cars to unload to… it's still a clog in the system that will result in a backup.

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Shortthelongs t1_ixkrlxi wrote

Pretty big difference if the clog in the system is a large rail yard in the port of Newark, as opposed to the tunnels under Hudson yards.

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OverlordXenu t1_ixl3zub wrote

someone else mentioned the rail transfer station is in east williamsburg. but even then, if the clog is in newark, it's still going to back up in the city…

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Shortthelongs t1_ixlpp2w wrote

How does freight from east williamsburg make it off long island? By truck?

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OverlordXenu t1_ixmxc6r wrote

We’ll all I can find is the Brooklyn transfer Llc at 115 thames, can’t tell if that’s by rail or not, but you do know there’s an active freight rail line in bushwick, right? There are… rail bridges and stuff. And the city just reopened the train barges… https://nynjr.com/

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Wowzlul t1_ixogcd9 wrote

How the freight rail connections with upstate all fit together is kinda mysterious. The car float is very limited, but it might carry the garbage. The only other way out of East Williamsburg is via Queens and the Hell Gate, and that would of course involve sharing track with Amtrak's passenger trains.

Hunts Point is connected to the broader freight network, though, so I'm reasonably certain there's a connection between the NYA (LIRR freight operations) and the outside world that doesn't involve the car float. Operationally it might be kinda limited, tho.

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OhGoodOhMan t1_ixlzi7o wrote

Garbage from trucks gets loaded into containers and then onto either a barge or train. There's one facility to transfer garbage from trucks to trains in a marshy corner of SI; from here the trains go over a bridge to NJ, and then probably to landfills in the South. There's another such facility in Mott Haven. If that garbage also goes to the South, then trains travel along Metro North's Hudson line to Albany, cross the river, then head south/west. And one more in East Williamsburg, in which case trains would have to go through the Bronx and Albany.

No freight trains are allowed through the tunnels leading to Penn, nor GCT.

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Wowzlul t1_ixogt01 wrote

> There's one facility to transfer garbage from trucks to trains in a marshy corner of SI

I am 99% sure there's another one in East Williamsburg because I've seen it with my own eyes.

edit: Oh you actually mentioned it

> No freight trains are allowed through the tunnels leading to Penn, nor GCT.

IIRC the Pennsylvania Railroad experimented with this during World War 2, running a test freight train through the Hudson tubes.

I think it became disconnected and immobilized.

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