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michaelmvm t1_ixqi5al wrote

paywall, anyone got the article?

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NYY657545 t1_ixqjmn6 wrote

What concerns have activists raised about racial profiling and police surveillance?

Three years ago, Vice news spent two months tracking the content of the app within a five-mile area covering Lower Manhattan, most of Brooklyn, and parts of Queens and Hoboken, N.J., and found that people of color made up the majority of posts tagged as “suspicious activity.”

It echoed a pattern of concerning behavior that had plagued other neighborhood watch platforms, like Nextdoor and Citizen, which civil liberty groups had warned could give a false impression of rising crime and lead to racial profiling and wrongful arrests.

“The N.Y.P.D. is effectively deputizing app users,” Donna Lieberman, the executive director of the New York Civil Liberties Union, said about Neighbors. “Crowdsourced surveillance and suspicion, like the kind that takes place on Ring’s Neighbors app, is influenced by users’ racial biases and other prejudices.”

The city Police Department, which developed one of the country’s most sophisticated surveillance apparatuses after 9/11, has a well-documented history of surveilling minority communities. .

In 2018, the Police Department settled a lawsuit over the surveillance of Muslims in New Jersey through a decade-long spying program in which officers eavesdropped on conversations in cafes and designated mosques as potential terrorist organizations. According to the suit, police officers collected license plates and took video and photographs at mosques as part of their covert surveillance.

And in a 2021 report, Amnesty International detailed the police’s capacity to view footage from over 15,000 CCTV cameras installed across Bronx, Manhattan and Brooklyn alone, with a disproportionate number of those cameras located in communities of color.

The Surveillance Technology Oversight Project, a privacy and civil rights group based in New York, has condemned the police’s partnership with Neighbors.

“This sort of crowdsourced surveillance will only lead to more wrongful arrests, racial profiling and police violence,” Albert Fox Cahn, the organization’s executive director, said in a press statement. “Most New Yorkers would second guess installing these home surveillance tools if they understood how easily these systems could be used against them and their families by police.”

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drpvn t1_ixqmgao wrote

I don't understand the racial profiling concern. Users can post clips of crimes and NYPD can access those. What's the problem with that? How does video evidence of a crime cause racial profiling? If I take video of someone stealing a package, and I give that to the police, is that causing racial profiling?

And NYPD can ask for footage and tips on the app. They already do that today. How does police asking for tips cause racial profiling? What am I missing?

To me this just sounds like a higher-tech version of the argument that people shouldn't call 911 because it increases policing.

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michaelmvm t1_ixqmu73 wrote

12ft.io doesn't work for the NYT and neither does incognito nor this one other browser extension i have. NYT and WaPo paywalls are on another level.

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Unable-Ad3852 t1_ixqo895 wrote

I thought they could request records straight from Amazon w/o a warrant.

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BakedBread65 t1_ixqpib0 wrote

For this article it seems like they just went to all the organizations that don’t like policing for a quote. If someone’s clearly on video doing a crime, what’s the problem?

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drpvn t1_ixqqbv6 wrote

Donna Lieberman saying this “effectively deputizes” private citizens . . . . No, asking people to call in tips and making video clips available for police to look at is not “deputizing” anyone.

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Tsui_Brooklyn t1_ixqumnv wrote

You must be new to the sub lol or really want me to say it…

Video evidence of crimes can lead to stereotyping of a group by some bc of the frequency of which “other” group they think is committing crimes against “them”. it’s that simple

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SnooTomatoes4307 t1_ixqxb1m wrote

yes, that's why Ring is always outward facing and never in your home. We have other Alexa devices for that.

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c3p-bro t1_ixqyrur wrote

You know how leftists think right wingers believe that “if we stop talking about racism, it won’t exist anymore”?

Leftists feel that way about crime. Just ignore it long enough and it disappears

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miamor_Jada t1_ixr1gb8 wrote

Nassau County already do this. They post on ring to alert neighbors about potential theft and crime in the area.

I'm sure they also have access to the videos posted on the app.

As for racial profiling, unless the NYPD will specifically be going after persons of interests of a specific race group, then, they'll be destroying their trust with the public and their promise to figh crime.

In the past, NYPD's Stop & Frisk program appears to target a large group of people who were black, basically kickstarting the racial profiling claim and community members not trusting them.

I do think NYPD on ring will help decrease pirate thieves by a lot. Why? The faces are VERY clear on camera. A lot of people would be caught.

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D1ckChowder t1_ixr4tb8 wrote

You’re missing nothing. This is article could have just been two lines: Police are users on the App. Some organizations don’t like it and are making a puff about their misunderstanding.

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NetQuarterLatte t1_ixr7vko wrote

>“This sort of crowdsourced surveillance will only lead to more wrongful arrests, racial profiling and police violence,” Albert Fox Cahn, the organization’s executive director

Albert Fox Cahn made that claim without providing any evidence to support it. Why is Hurubie Meko from the NYT printing such things?

Is there any editor worth the salt working in the NYT these days?

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>“The NYPD has never been a good neighbor to most New Yorkers, and this move will only put more people at risk,”

Albert Fox Cahn is just the typical propagandist who shares responsibility for spreading and amplifying harmful distrust in the NYPD. The NYT should not be giving air to such narratives that disproportionately harm the most vulnerable segments of our population.

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Danjour t1_ixrb86f wrote

Watch that video if you haven’t. If you do feel compelled, do it entirely anonymously. If the cops come to your door to ask questions, ignore them entirely.

I don’t interact with police officers, you shouldn’t ether. I used to think this type of stance was absurd, but after watching that video I completely changed my mind.

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Lucid108 t1_ixrb9gp wrote

Less that and "put the resources into solving crime at the root, as opposed to giving everything to cops and expecting things will be any different."

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BobanTheGiant t1_ixrbl4r wrote

Imagine reading the article and not critically comprehending what it's major points were. This was not one of the three to four major points. Do better searching for your own narrative

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BobanTheGiant t1_ixrbpl1 wrote

You know that Fox News has reported on the issue of crime in America 50% less since the election? If crime was so so so bad, as you say, why then is Fox suddenly indifferent to it?

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c3p-bro t1_ixrc2uz wrote

Never said crime was “so so so bad” and think Fox News is full of shit so get out of here with that strawman putting words in my mouth bullshit. But crime exists and we do need a police force to deal with. Abolishing the police won’t magically fix crime, just like banning CRT wont fix racism.

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Danjour t1_ixrcj2c wrote

I find it entertaining. The lawyer and the cop that speak to the class are pretty well spoken and kind of funny.

The tl;dr of it is anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law. If it ever comes down to your word against theirs, you will lose. All you can do is help them, you can never help yourself by talking to the police so there is zero reason to do so.

Another Redditor TLDR’d the video as this.

“The first part by the professor states there is literally no circumstance where talking to the police helps you. If you say something that helps them make a case against you, they use it. If you say something that would save yourself, they ignore it. He gives several examples where seeming less and less talking to police would seemingly not get you convicted but then shows real life examples where even the tiniest "i was never in tuscon in february" statement can be used to get a conviction against you.

The second part is from a detective who states everything the professor said is true, hes legally allowed to lie to suspects to get them to confess, and gives a few details on the tricks he uses to get people to talk and get themselves prosecuted”

Yeah, don’t talk to the cops, they’re not your friends.

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doubledipinyou t1_ixrd0rg wrote

Yes 100% but that's on our DAs and politic system. The cops can still do their jobs and we should expect that of them yet hold political positions accountable

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drpvn t1_ixrd5j7 wrote

I agree if we’re talking about a situation where there is a chance that you will conceivably be or become the target. And doubly so if you are stopped or arrested by the police.

But if people are victims of crime, they absolutely should report it—assuming, of course, that they themselves are not engaging in criminal conduct that police would find as interesting as or more interesting than the crime you’re reporting. Apart from that circumstance, telling people not to report crimes because you can’t trust the police is paranoid and harmful.

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Loxodontox t1_ixrdcnl wrote

I simply don’t want the NYPD on my Ring, if I had it. I’d want a private company that is an intermediary. I am not comfortable with the cops having constant access to all

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Lucid108 t1_ixrdelo wrote

That has nothing to do with getting to the root of the problem of crime. You don't deal with a weed by chopping up the leaves, you deal with it by the root. Same thing with criminality. Cops get billions of dollars of taxpayer money every year, with the budget ballooning for them all the time, while other necessary services which would prevent crime entirely are severely underfunded, at best (bc as it turns out most people don't do crime for fun, but out of desperation).

It's a tragedy when people are killed, but adding more cops does not solve the underlying problems even a little and worthwhile to stop pretending otherwise.

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Lucid108 t1_ixredgz wrote

Given how many other necessary public services are gutted as cops get near-constant increases to their budget, it seems to me that we are not allocating the resources into preventing crime, so much as creating it via societal negligence and then throwing cops at the problem.

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raifikii t1_ixrewkb wrote

I’d rather they solve the crime now then get to the root. I’m not holding my breath for City, local, or federal government to make effective changes at the grassroots level whose benefits we may not see for a generation+ in the future. If we can do a better job at stopping crime and violence now, why wouldn’t we? These two strategies aren’t mutually exclusive.

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thisisntmineIfoundit t1_ixrfjux wrote

Has it occurred to you that when a young man or woman are being encouraged to contribute to a crime (shoplifting / raiding a store) or joining a gang, you know, before they have ever committed a crime aka the "root", if the message is "you will be caught and go to jail" and not "people don't care, won't report the crime, and the cops won't arrest you and the judge won't prosecute" that mayyyyybe that could be, oh I don't know, discouraging people to ever get into that kind of crowd???

Or are you one of those insisting folks raiding Rite Aid need bread for their family?

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Danjour t1_ixrg75h wrote

That’s the thing, every situation with the cops can escalate to an arrest. You just don’t know.

I’m not saying don’t report any crimes, I’m saying don’t interact with the police. Call 911 if you have to, they aren’t the police.

Obviously if you get in a car crash and you need a report for insurance, you’re going to need to do that. If cops are going door to door asking for information about a string of robberies, fuck no. I’m not answering the door. I’m not asking cops for help, if i get pulled over I’m giving the least amount of information possible.

If i witness a murder or a rape, I’ll call 911 but no, I will not stick around to be questioned.

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Lucid108 t1_ixrhbgp wrote

>Has it occurred to you that when a young man or woman are being encouraged to contribute to a crime (shoplifting / raiding a store) or joining a gang, you know, before they have ever committed a crime aka the "root", if the message is "you will be caught and go to jail" and not "people don't care, won't report the crime, and the cops won't arrest you and the judge won't prosecute" that mayyyyybe that could be, oh I don't know, discouraging people to ever get into that kind of crowd???

This looks to me like a very good example of circular logic. This isn't hard. If people are committing crimes, it's literally scientifically supported, that they do so due to lack of resources/legitimate avenues to meet their needs. Take care of people's most basic needs and you'd see a huge reduction in crime, abuse victims could leave abusers safely, etc. etc. Just having the looming threat of prison hasn't solved crime in the several hundred years we've been doing it, what makes you think it'll magically work with a few extra billion dollars?

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Lucid108 t1_ixrhltt wrote

Education is among the most consistently underfunded social services. Teachers are certainly not nearly as well-paid/well-compensated as cops and they serve a variety of critically necessary roles.

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thisisntmineIfoundit t1_ixrhm52 wrote

I passed out candy on Halloween in bk this year. I saw not one, not two, but three little kids that belonged to black/brown parents dressed as cops. One was specifically NYPD. But yeah they're just cowering in fear every day and hate NYPD /s

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Lucid108 t1_ixrifpg wrote

I'd argue that the two are mutually exclusive bc cops are fiercely protective of the power that they have (ex. The time the police went on strike bc greater oversight was on the table) and a lot of what it would take to prevent crime would mean, at the very least, a large-scale reallocation of resources from police to a variety of other needed public services (like housing, mental health, education/extra cirricular activities for kids). At least, if the goal is prevention of crime and rehabilitation after the fact, as opposed to just outright punishment, which the cops are quite well-equipped to do

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Lucid108 t1_ixrjzhx wrote

Respectfully, I think that essentializing people to "bad down to their roots" a cop-out to avoid having to ask the questions that it would take to legitimately address questions concerning justice and the treatment of criminals in general (even down to the non-violent offenders bc lets be honest when ppl think criminal, they think the "bad to the root" kind of person).

Like, I'm not about to say that people aren't capable of brutal and heinous things, given the wrong situation, I'm sure everyone can be. That said, basing foundational building blocks of our society on just punishing the worst people we can think of leaves the imagination blank for providing help for victims and, again, just preventing these tragedies from occurring in the first place. When all you have is a hammer (cops and prisons) every problem looks like a nail (criminal).

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Grass8989 t1_ixrku45 wrote

The vast majority of working class PoC don’t hate the police as much as the media likes to portray. If that was the case low income PoC wouldn’t have overwhelmingly voted for Eric Adams (a cop) in the Democratic primary for Mayor.

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drpvn t1_ixrlmz5 wrote

Cops and prisons are not all we have and have never been all we have.

Thinking you’re going to eradicate crime by any means—whether by aggressive policing or by “addressing root causes”—is as foolish as thinking you’re going to eradicate any social problem. There has always been crime and there will always be crime. We have to manage it as best we can by using all society’s tools, which include policing, to strike the best balance we can.

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user_joined_just_now t1_ixrmdl4 wrote

> most people don't do crime for fun, but out of desperation

When you beat a guy to death with 30 of your friends while riding ATVs that cost thousands of dollars "out of desperation". Progressive moment.

The vast majority of poor people manage to get by without committing violent crimes.

Let us suppose that as part of an inquiry into the needs of NYC's most desperate, the city sent out a few hundred people with credit cards to walk around with at night as robbery bait. Where do you think these credit cards would be swiped after being taken? Do you genuinely think that most of them would be used to buy groceries and pay rent?

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drpvn t1_ixrmpv6 wrote

TIL that “it’s literally scientifically supported” that rapists rape “due to lack of resources/legitimate avenues to meet their needs.”

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thisisntmineIfoundit t1_ixroww9 wrote

>Take care of people's most basic needs and you'd see a huge reduction in crime

This looks to me like a very good example of logic from someone who does not live in the real world.

We have a huge safety net and it's getting bigger. It would take too long to explain how bloated and unaudited our social benefit systems are and list the examples of people who don't need it receiving help and sitting on their ass. Not to mention in cities like SF where you are definitely fully taken care of if you're in bad shape, crime is worse than ever.

What's really funny about this is you claim cracking down on crime doesn't change things at all when NYC is the way it is today versus 10/20/30 years ago because of drastically different policies from different administrations having an effect.

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Lucid108 t1_ixrpdam wrote

Your glibness aside, rape is absolutely about power and is usually perpetrated against people who do not have the necessary support structures to leave the situation. Speaking of which, you ever look up the stats on how many sex crimes cops have solved and how often people who go to them for protection against these sorts of things are dismissed by the people who are supposedly there to protect and serve? How 'bout that 40% statistic about cops, since we're on the subject?

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c3p-bro t1_ixrq6jx wrote

He was a social worker that was supposed to replace the police once they are abolished. It’s extremely relevant to your original comment since that’s the future you want. See? Two can play the strawman game.

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drpvn t1_ixrr27g wrote

Trying to give women support structures to help them leave violent relationships is good but it will not eradicate rape.

No I haven’t looked into the “40%” thing. I do know it’s copypasta so I assume there are massive caveats that need to be added to it.

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Lucid108 t1_ixrre0b wrote

So the fact that this occurred the way that it did is meant to invalidate the idea that police need to be defunded and other programs need the resources to combat the social problems that lead to violent outcomes?

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c3p-bro t1_ixrslb0 wrote

Yes I think the fact that the social workers meant to replace the defunded police are being beat to death in street somewhat invalidates the argument.

You’re not riding around on expensive toys beating people who cross you to death out of desperation or poverty. You’re doing it because you’re garbage who has no place in society.

Defunding the police does not fix these types - they are beyond help. If you think otherwise we fundamentally disagree on this.

I just hope you never find yourself in the same situation he did.

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ZinnRider t1_ixrtg8h wrote

Problem is that almost the totality of police work does not prevent crime. They mostly react to crime.

And their responses are often the worst possible ones.

If you’re really seriously about reducing crime you have to grapple with poverty, communities without access to youth programs, exorbitant rents and cost of living, etc.

More cops is definitely not the answer. They’ve showed us over and over and over again what they’re about. Excessive violence, abuse of authority, immunity from “rule of law” and frankly, yes - being asked to respond to too much, makes them the wrong answer.

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user_joined_just_now t1_ixrvbdn wrote

Those 30 individuals beat that guy to death because of socioeconomic factors. What we need to do is address those factors by increasing their access to employment, education, housing, and public pools. Maybe throw in a blowie or two. Effectively tackling crime requires addressing its root causes, not simply taking a punitive approach that continues to perpetuate both mass incarceration and the cycle of crime.

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c3p-bro t1_ixrvwpz wrote

I agree for certain types of theft, vandalism, etc., that sort of crime. The second you start putting innocent peoples lives at risk you lose me.

Generational programs may reduce future crime but we still need protection from the violent criminals of today.

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mowotlarx t1_ixrxmes wrote

No, that's on cops. Cases are built by cops and now they collect evidence (or don't). The DA can't do anything when presented with the corrupt garbage NYPD presents them, before they send their best to lie on the stand only to lead to cases being thrown anyway.

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KaiDaiz t1_ixrxwue wrote

No different NYPD or any police agency posting on twitter or any other social media app asking for tips, be on look out for x wanted individual OR viewing videos & doing their own sub analysis of criminal activity posted by users on said apps.

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LouisSeize t1_ixry36g wrote

>Users can ignore or even block these inquiries from their feed. But the police can still obtain private footage through a court order or directly through Ring. Such requests to the company are for life-threatening emergencies and are regularly denied, a Ring spokeswoman, Mai Nguyen, said. [emphasis added]

What?! There's a life-threatening emergency and you deny the video?

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drpvn t1_ixs1nvs wrote

We don’t need more police in NYC—we have a lot of officers—but we also don’t need many fewer.

“Police do not prevent crime” is midwit copypasta. Really dumb, really wrong, and contrary to both common sense and decades of research. But there are some people who will never stop cutting and pasting it.

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julsey414 t1_ixs3h83 wrote

Just as Giuliani era policies like broken windows policing and stop and frisk disproportionately affected communities of color, easy access to reporting “suspicious characters” will likely lead to an increase in racial profiling from citizens afraid of black people in hoodies.

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drpvn t1_ixs3ue4 wrote

Like I said, it’s just a higher tech version of “don’t call 911 because policing disproportionately affects POC.” Unfortunately, most of the 911 calls are probably coming from POC.

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KidAstoria t1_ixsfzkx wrote

Woman gets assaulted and raped.

Police takes report and lets public know to search for suspect.

Anti-police haters call them liars and seeks to protect the suspect.

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NashvilleHot t1_ixsi6ju wrote

You just posted up thread about striking a balance as best we can. And here you’re saying it’s good but not worth doing because it won’t eradicate rape. 🤷‍♂️

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Koboldsftw t1_ixsj161 wrote

People can also post clips of things that are not crimes but might look like crimes. They are more likely to give people that they do not think look like criminals the benefit of the doubt here, and withhold it from people that they do think look like criminals. This is profiling. Often it happens on racial lines.

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drpvn t1_ixslalb wrote

There’s no magic number but there is no way that ~$35 billion is “underfunding.” People talk about it as if it’s draconian austerity. That’s ridiculous.

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karmapuhlease t1_ixslbla wrote

What's your source on that? Is there some metric by which it can be measured that FNC no longer covers crime? Or do you personally claim to watch enough of that channel to be sure of your own evaluation?

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Refreshingpudding t1_ixspgck wrote

It's very rarely approved

>Users can ignore or even block these inquiries from their feed. But the police can still obtain private footage through a court order or directly through Ring. Such requests to the company are for life-threatening emergencies and are regularly denied, a Ring spokeswoman, Mai Nguyen, said.

>Ring has provided footage to law enforcement in at least 11 instances through July of this year, according to Amazon.

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RedditWibel t1_ixszeii wrote

No, people misrepresenting statistics purposefully are racist.

Now most of the time people aren’t doing as such purposefully. They just innocently don’t know what they are doing.

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dingadangdang t1_ixt2bwy wrote

Ring as a company, and the CEO or inventor, is full on pro police having access to your account-it was this way before Amazon bought it and I don't really care, but some of you may want to Google it and get more info. I read an in depth article, and have no idea where it was, but if you're concerned about your civil liberties I wouldn't use Ring. They can't get me for shit so doesn't matter to me. I'm too old to care anymore. No one is coming for your guns Toby. I'm a leftwing liberal in a Red State and I just don't give a shit. You can buy guns, fireworks, weed in most states and ride your motorcycle.

My concern is oppression of minorities and voting rights. I'll be dead in 25 years. The environment is f'd and God bless the rest of you cuz we all are gonna need it to get thru the shit storm a brewing.

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drpvn t1_ixt82cz wrote

Yes, approximately a million if you include charter school students (which you should because charter school costs are included). So that’s approximately $35,000 per student. If that’s under-funding, I’d like to know how much is enough. $100,000 per student?

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John_-_Galt t1_ixu8vxc wrote

I think they're saying the issue is over policing in black neighborhoods, and everything that goes with it. So these crimes will lead more convictions/policing/harsher penalties of criminals in black places because they they lack the financial resources to fight it.

So instead of solving the root cause of the issues of why crime is taking place in the black neighborhoods, the policies just put people on an endless loop of low wage and jail.

That's my take away at least.

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bttrflyr t1_ixucezw wrote

Don’t trust the police, they are not here to serve and protect you.

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Makeyoownmoney t1_ixujgth wrote

Take that biased, left-wing, Soros funded BS and shove it. Chicago? Better than NY, but the outskirts and its mayor are rubbish. The Russian paper selling dude with a radio station that tried to get everyone out of Rikers more quickly in the 60's. He died in 1971. The original message is long gone. Chicago beats NYC by having more rats. The human type too.

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LibertyNachos t1_ixut1qw wrote

we need officers to actually do their jobs instead of playing candy crush and refusing to answer calls because their feelings were hurt by some politician. if they were actual heroes they wouldn’t be so influenced by a corrupt union leader.

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longknives t1_ixut9se wrote

“Police do not prevent crime” is factual and not contrary to research or common sense. When was the last time you experienced cops preventing a crime? The only thing it’s contrary to is the vague idea people have that cops are probably out there preventing some crimes that are probably happening somewhere.

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ripstep1 t1_ixvh8rx wrote

It prevents crime all the time. Many people choose not to shoplift because of the threat of consequences. I would be commiting WAY more crimes if the police disappeared. Etc.

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BiblioPhil t1_ixw0bao wrote

The communities hate them for a good reason. Like the fact that those communities pay them six-figure pensions and they still won't do their job unless they have carte blanche to crack skulls with no repercussions.

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drpvn t1_ixw5vpg wrote

I don’t have anything from an advocacy group comparable to Vera, but here are a handful of research papers from academic journals. You need to understand that the idea that policing has no effect on crime is a fringe activist view that has been mainstreamed by dimwits copy-pasting on social media.

Aziai, Alberto. 2022. “What happens when the police go on strike? Analysing how a marked reduction in policing impacts upon homicides in Ceará, Brazil.” Global Crime, DOI: 10.1080/17440572.2022.2098121 (The [police] strike led to a statistically significant increase in homicides ranging between 110% and 250%…. Even in a violent context, the perception of a higher risk of apprehension induced by police presence acts as a powerful deterrent against homicides.)

Blesse, Sebastian and André Diegmann. 2022. “The place-based effects of police stations on crime: Evidence from station closures.” Journal of Public Economics. Vol. 207. https://doi.org/10.1016/j.jpubeco.2022.104605 (Many countries consolidate their police forces by closing down local police stations. Police stations represent an important and visible aspect of the organization of police forces. We provide novel evidence on the effect of centralizing police offices through the closure of local police stations on crime outcomes. Combining matching with a difference-in-differences specification, we find an increase in reported car theft and burglary in residential properties. Our results are consistent with a negative shift in perceived detection risks and are driven by heterogeneous station characteristics. We can rule out alternative explanations such as incapacitation, crime displacement, and changes in police employment or strategies at the regional level. We argue that criminals are less deterred due to a lower visibility of the local police.)

Braga, Anthony. 2017. “Editorial introduction. Impact of Police on CJ Reform. Arrests, Harm Reduction, and Police Crime Prevention Policy.” Criminology & Public Policy. Vol. 16(2): 369-373. (Communities expect the police to control violence. Ineffective strategies will undoubtedly undermine police legitimacy. Effective police crime prevention efforts are characterized by changing the perceptions of potential offenders of apprehension risk and by modifying criminal opportunities (Nagin, Solow, and Lum, 2015). Although arrests are inevitable, police should be oriented toward preventing crimes from happening in the first place.)

Braga A., Kennedy D., Pielh A and Waring E. 2001. “Measuring the Impact of Operation Ceasefire in Reducing Gun Violence: The Boston gun project’s operation ceasefire.” NIJ. (The time series shows a 63-percent reduction in the mean monthly number of youth homicide victims from a pretest mean of 3.5 youth homicides per month to a post test mean of 1.3 youth homicides per month. Analyses suggest that the Ceasefire intervention was associated with statistically significant reductions in all time series., including: A 63-percent decrease in the monthly number of youth homicides in Boston. A 32-percent decrease in the monthly number of citywide shots-fired calls. A 25-percent decrease in the monthly number of citywide all-age gun assault incidents.)

Braga, Anthony A., Andrew V. Papachristos & David M. Hureau (2012). “The Effects of Hot Spots Policing on Crime: An Updated Systematic Review and Meta-Analysis.” Justice Quarterly. Vol. 31(4): 633-663. (Abstract: Our research suggests that hot spots policing generates small but noteworthy crime reductions, and these crime control benefits diffuse into areas immediately surrounding targeted crime hot spots. Our analyses find that problem-oriented policing interventions generate larger mean effect sizes when compared to interventions that simply increase levels of traditional police actions in crime hot spots. We also find that only a small number of studies examine the impacts of hot spots policing on police-community relations. The extant research on this topic, however, suggests that community members have positive reactions to these focused policing actions. [See also: Braga et al, 2018, “An Updated Systematic Review and Meta-Analysis of the Empirical Evidence.”])

Braga A., Weisburd, D., Turchan, B. 2018. “An Updated Systematic Review and Meta-Analysis of the Empirical Evidence.” Criminology & Public Policy. Volume 17. Issue 1. (The results of our meta-analysis demonstrate that focused deterrence strategies are associated with an overall statistically significant, moderate crime reduction effect.)

Braga, A. A., D. L. Weisburd, E. J. Waring, L. G. Mazerolle, W. Spelman, & F. Gajewski. “Problem-Oriented Policing in Violent Crime Places: A Randomized Controlled Experiment.” Justice Quarterly. Vol 31(4): 633-663. (Many researchers believe that crime problems can be reduced more efficiently if officers systematically focus their attention on crime “hot spots.” Previously, the value of focused problem-oriented policing efforts in controlling violence was not known. This randomized controlled experiment […] concluded that the Jersey City Police Department’s pilot problem-oriented policing program was successful at reducing crime and disorder at violent places, with little evidence of displacement.)

Braga, Anthony A., Brandon C. Welsh, and Cory Schnell. 2015. “Can policing disorder reduce crime? A systematic review and meta-analysis.” Journal of Research in Crime and Delinquency. Vol. 52: 567–588. (Suggests that hot spots policing generates small but noteworthy crime reductions, and these crime control benefits diffuse into areas immediately surrounding targeted crime hot spots. Our analyses find that problem-oriented policing interventions generate larger mean effect sizes when compared to interventions that simply increase levels of traditional police actions in crime hot spots. [See also: Braga et al, 2018, “An Updated Systematic Review and Meta-Analysis of the Empirical Evidence.”])

Chalfin, Aaron, Michael LaForest, and Jacob Kaplan. 2021. “Can Precision Policing Reduce Gun Violence? Evidence from ‘Gang Takedowns’ in New York City.” Journal of Policy Analysis and Management. Vol 40(4), pp. 1047-1082. https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/pam.22323 (During the last decade, while national homicide rates have remained flat, New York City has experienced a second great crime decline, with gun violence declining by more than 50 percent since 2011. In this paper, we investigate one potential explanation for this dramatic and unexpected improvement in public safety—the New York Police Department’s shift to a more surgical form of “precision policing,” in which law enforcement focuses resources on a small number of individuals who are thought to be the primary drivers of violence. We study New York City’s campaign of “gang takedowns” in which suspected members of criminal gangs were arrested in highly coordinated raids and prosecuted on conspiracy charges. We show that gun violence in and around public housing communities fell by approximately one third in the first year after a gang takedown. Our estimates imply that gang takedowns explain nearly one quarter of the decline in gun violence in New York City’s public housing communities over the last eight years.)

Chalfin and McCrary. 2012. “The Effect of Police on Crime: New Evidence from U.S. Cities, 1960-2010.” https://eml.berkeley.edu//~jmccrary/chalfin_mccrary2012.pdf

Cheng, Cheng, Wei Long, 2019. “Improving police services: Evidence from the French Quarter Task Force.” Journal of Public Economics, Vol. 164, pp. 1-18, https://doi.org/10.1016/j.jpubeco.2018.05.002. (This study sheds light on the improvement of police services by examining the French Quarter Task Force (FQTF) – an anti-crime program in New Orleans’ French Quarter. First, we provide new evidence that increasing police presence is effective in crime prevention. Our difference-in-differences estimates suggest that the FQTF, which increased police visibility in the French Quarter, reduced robberies, aggravated assaults, and thefts by 37.4%, 16.9%, and 13%, respectively. Second, our findings imply that the proper use of monitoring and incentive strategies has the potential to further improve police services. Exploiting the program’s change in management, we find that providing officers with more monitoring and performance incentives led the FQTF to reduce robberies by 22.12 and aggravated assaults by 5.56 each quarter.)

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BiblioPhil t1_ixwr96q wrote

If those people wanted "tough on crime" candidates who promised to use scorched-earth police tactics to "clean up" the streets, they had plenty of Republican candidates they could have supported.

Adams might seem pro-police compared to the progressive Dem field, but on a national level he absolutely wasn't close. He wasn't even supported by the PBA, which regarded him as a police critic and thorn in their side.

In any GOP primary he would have instantly been branded "soft on crime." Reddit's perspective is so skewed on this topic.

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Grass8989 t1_ixwrvp9 wrote

He literally ran on a “tougher on crime” platform. That was a major part of his message and campaign, so much so that most on this sub labels him a Republican.

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BiblioPhil t1_ixx8wb7 wrote

It's like you missed my entire point about "tough on crime" being relative.

And you're literally using this sub's views of Eric Adams to rebut my point about why this sub is wrong about Eric Adams.

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BiblioPhil t1_ixx92j0 wrote

Distrustful is a better term. And decidedly not aligned with conservatives on policies concerning police. Wanting more police presence isn't a mandate for stop and frisk and doesn't mean they don't support measures to increase police accountability.

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utamog t1_ixxct7d wrote

Crime apologists like you are literally what made me switch to being a republicans (Still voted Adams however). I believe in body autonomy, and separation of church and state but this violence apologist shit is by far the most deranged danger to society I can think of.

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Silver-Hat175 t1_ixy1tsm wrote

why find out trust in police polling and similar research when you can make up a fact nobody can verify to prove your feelings are factual. the deep thoughts of right wingers who troll the internet in groups every hour of the day.

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LibertyNachos t1_iy1exm6 wrote

when it comes to essential services such as firefighting and law enforcement silent quitting is not acceptable for the public good, especially as well paid as these professionals are. no one dies if a teacher calls out sick.

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LibertyNachos t1_iy5q0v7 wrote

Honestly, I don’t believe most teachers and nurses would do the same kind of silent quitting the NYPD is notorious for. they seem to employ people of better morals who don’t put their paycheck above the public good.

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