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KaiDaiz t1_iqtgkrt wrote

Reply to comment by mule_roany_mare in NYC has to be the only city in the world where it's a significant political accomplishment to deploy a single trash bin by scooterflaneuse

Doesn't matter if you put the trash in alley or bin, still a mountain of it. Yes we do generate a lot of trash. Take a look at amount of trash generated in Japan on trash day per household. They charge the folks money per pound in some areas and naturally they have nil trash. Ours are practically free to toss as much trash we want. It's a bargain here.

Do what other cities already do here in USA and elsewhere, make residents use official sanction trash bags. First x free, anything else have to buy. Heavy enforcement and fines

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mule_roany_mare t1_iqtp996 wrote

Sure it does.

Other cities don't have nearly the same problem with rats & they spend a lot less per capita to control them.

Loose bags are a buffet, 7 days a week there is unlimited food for rats. Bins make a giant difference

Official bags won't make a difference, no bags are hungry rat proof. Even if half as much trash was generated it wouldn't have the least impact in the pest population. Even with zero trash rats could be sustained on roaches, pigeons, people who feed pigeons & incidental littering/dropped food.

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robotmalfunction t1_iqualgm wrote

Chicago has a much better trash infrastructure, but I'd say comparable or even worse rat issue. I only have anecdotal evidence though. If trash comes once a week most places, there's no way to stop those hungry rats.

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KaiDaiz t1_iqtw5jh wrote

and less trash also makes a giant difference. face it, there's not enough bins, alley or front sidewalk space to hide our trash that makes its removal economical & practical. Only way we can start talking about sensible trash storage is to store less of it. Start drastically reducing amount of trash...when our reduced trash output can fit in whatever bin design and haul away for cheap then we can talk about it

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Over-Tackle5585 t1_iquhhfd wrote

I promise you that a change in how we store and dispose of trash will effect change way fucking faster than trying to change, en masse, how people conduct their lives.

Honestly the order you’re suggesting doesn’t even make sense. It’d be far easier to start with containerizing trash because we’d then at least be able to track and charge people for the waste they produce.

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KaiDaiz t1_iqvtr8h wrote

You honestly think its easier to massively expand the sanitation force + dig a bunch of holes in ground or place other bins? The expense alone makes this unfeasible for city.

OR easier for city to slap fines and fees to correct our trash problem. Far easier and cheaper the later for city to implement fast.

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birthdaycakefig t1_iqvwzke wrote

Yea, because everything else the city slaps fines and fees on works out smoothly since our citizens are perfect law abiding and give a shit about others.

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KaiDaiz t1_iqvy2mr wrote

have to start somewhere. fines and punishment has always been used by our society to correct behavior.

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Over-Tackle5585 t1_iqw87ol wrote

Yes, I do think massive public works are far easier than changing individual behavior. Like so much easier it’s laughable to think otherwise. This city has a 100 billion budget and you think it’s impossible to do something every other city in the world of its size is capable of? Okay dude…yeah it’ll be way easier to get all 8 million people to collectively change the way they live their lives to be more inconvenient

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shamam t1_iqw9g39 wrote

I can't even get my neighbors to break down their cardboard boxes before they put them in the trash room. It's 1 fucking piece of tape!

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KaiDaiz t1_iqw8gqd wrote

barely afford the 100B budget but you want to add a few B out of no where for more sanitation on top of other budget woes? sure dude

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Over-Tackle5585 t1_iqw94an wrote

What better things would that kind of money go to than the sanitation and cleanliness of New York? Are you affiliated with a waste disposal lobby or something? Containerizing trash would SAVE money in the long run as it makes trash disposal more efficient and quicker - thats why the waste disposal lobby is so staunchly against it. Literally just remove a parking spot or two from each block and throw a dumpster in.

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KaiDaiz t1_iqw9a51 wrote

City cant afford it and don't have the manpower to do daily pickups. If you cant see that, you simply blind of reality. How often the city pick up your trash? think that small bin will hold it for the downtime for pickup? nope

Only way out of our trash mess is to drastically reduce the trash

Also not trash lobby

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Over-Tackle5585 t1_iqw9g5j wrote

Lol. Ok waste disposal lobby bot. Let’s keep feeding the rats then. Lmk when you convince the entirety of the city to cut their trash output in half

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mule_roany_mare t1_iqxbngx wrote

>How often the city pick up your trash?

3 times a week, pretty much everywhere in all of NYC

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KaiDaiz t1_iqxd221 wrote

nah 2x where I live. either way def not everyday to make those bins work in example hence city can never afford to make these bins work for entire city

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grambell789 t1_iqtotzd wrote

If you charge people for trash it will just get dumped anonymously on the street

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KaiDaiz t1_iqtp1rl wrote

That's where you have heavy enforcement and drill it in. Its been successfully implemented in a lot municipalities and reduced trash tremendously

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birthdaycakefig t1_iqvxgot wrote

We’ll just complain that heavy enforcement only hurts the poor and makes them poorer.

Also, look at anything else we “enforce”. Cars drive all over, scooters are all over oír sidewalks. Do you really think there’s going to be squads of cops checking peoples garbage?

We like to say that things work in other cities but honestly the culture in NY and US is not like the culture in other parts of the world and it’s very obvious. In other parts of the world, a big way to get people to do something is to show them how it impacts everyone. We only care about ourselves.

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LoneStarTallBoi t1_iqw7x5p wrote

oh yeah I'm sure nypd will get right on that

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KaiDaiz t1_iqw897h wrote

be sanitation not nypd writing tickets and they already write plenty

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teknolog t1_iqtwvn4 wrote

Seems to work in every other city I've lived in.

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GoPikachuGo1 t1_iqvjsrw wrote

What cities are these?

If they're in Europe and/or Asia, it really isn't applicable. There is too much of a cultural difference.

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KaiDaiz t1_iqvrzf5 wrote

Its here as well. Over 9k communities here in USA. 62/100 largest cities in USA has some form of PYT. Canada has this too, go to Toronto. Basically it's the norm around the world and rest of USA to charge for excess trash vs flat rate we get here

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teknolog t1_iqwntfr wrote

My house is in San Francisco. Not sure if that's technically in America, but it's not in Asia or Europe.

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GoPikachuGo1 t1_iqwo7lf wrote

I'm not sure i'd classify San Francisco as a particularly 'clean' city.

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teknolog t1_iqxcwla wrote

That is a true statement but they charge a lot for trash service.

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birthdaycakefig t1_iqvwdbo wrote

Culture is very different.

The second we start charging people to throw trash out this city will become much worse, 100% trash out the windows and into streets/rivers. Only the richer neighborhoods will be clean.

Oh, just like today I guess.

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KaiDaiz t1_iqw0pcm wrote

majority of the us charges for excess trash vs the flat rate toss as much you can do here

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YouandWhoseArmy t1_ir00tam wrote

I support the city trash bags you buy, but it would never work in NYC. Too many people that don’t give a fuck. Too hard to track. It would just make the place dirtier with people trying to beat the system.

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