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bittoxic00 t1_jatxcer wrote
You or I would need to earn, what, $170k per year on the books to realize the benefit of $132k. Whatever your views are there are people realizing much less and surviving in this city. Where is it all going
sidewaysrebel14 t1_jatxruq wrote
Hotel rooms mostly - same places that were used during the pandemic as homeless shelters. The hotels found out they can rent a room to the city for let’s say 400 a night with no need to turn it around or market or have empty rooms. Pretty much a bonanza for hotel owners in a down season for tourism
bittoxic00 t1_jau05rw wrote
That’s true, I would say give them low cost apartments in city housing but I feel that would just be a slap in the face for anyone already on those lists
fppencollector t1_jawj3wd wrote
Are these hotel owners planning to replace all the mattresses and bedding, and deep clean all the carpets and upholstery? Otherwise, I don't know how many tourists would visit NYC instead of another destination.
Despite the enormous monetary, logistical, and staffing burden on the city's government and ultimately the taxpayers, there is no appreciation for these provided resources from the beneficiaries.
At a recent city council meeting, Julie Won and Gale Brewer were pressing the HERRC staff on the quality of the food. Breakfast with milk and fresh fruit, prepared sandwiches for lunch and a hot dinner that is calorically and nutritionally sufficient is very reasonable. Religious and medical adjustments are accomodated.
Demands for meals that are culturally familiar, when there are people from multiple regions of the world is not a reasonable requirement. Specific meal Demands for chicken and rice is not reasonable.
My takeaway from the article:
Yet despite the city’s pleas for help from the Biden and Hochul administrations, it has gotten a drop in the bucket when it comes to financial help — even as the Big Apple barrels toward a projected $4.2 billion two-year total bill to handle the influx.
ifiwereaplatypus t1_jax82mk wrote
>Are these hotel owners planning to replace all the mattresses and bedding, and deep clean all the carpets and upholstery? Otherwise, I don't know how many tourists would visit NYC instead of another destination.
This statement assumes that migrants are "dirtier" than tourists. On the cartoonishly evil range, I rate this statement 9/10 on the CE scale.
fppencollector t1_jaxmarm wrote
That's why there are outbreaks occurring in NYC public schools stemming from children allowed to attend classes without vaccination records or titer tests.
ifiwereaplatypus t1_jaxt3gu wrote
The asylum seekers who are vaccinated at the border and then bussed to New York in a tax-payer funded political campaign by a sitting Republican governor are the cause of outbreaks of… what, exactly? Gonorrhea?
fppencollector t1_jaxupqc wrote
https://nypost.com/2023/02/04/migrant-students-dont-need-to-show-proof-of-vaccinations/
The Simon Baruch Middle School in Gramercy Park had a chickenpox case, according to a Jan. 25 notice from the principal which said students not vaccinated for the illness could not attend school.
A parent at the school said after the announcement, five migrant children were absent for a few days from the class in question.
ifiwereaplatypus t1_jaxwzx3 wrote
Were you the parent?
fppencollector t1_jaxx77f wrote
No, but I certainly sympathize.
Drunk_Oso t1_jaymhr3 wrote
We don’t do that.
supermechace t1_jaz8t66 wrote
Also for real estate companies and owners who charge the city for housing the homeless and migrants. Take from the middle class and give to the wealthy
retiredfromfire t1_jaxcsya wrote
Private equity vultures
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Therealdirtyburdie t1_jay152j wrote
That would be crazy idea! Lol. Like Chuck Schumer said we need these migrants because Americans are not procreating Enough so we need migrants plus they all promised to become Democrats
Hrekires t1_jawjml2 wrote
Is that not what happens if they're not granted asylum?
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fppencollector t1_jay5rqq wrote
Or, there needs to be a cadre of judges sent to the border crossings to hear cases instead of allowing unvetted entry into the United States.
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/cbp-enforcement-statistics/criminal-noncitizen-statistics
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retiredfromfire t1_jaxd29g wrote
Who's we?
ripstep1 t1_jawqzy0 wrote
Stop granting asylum claims
spicytoastaficionado t1_jay3uj6 wrote
Not necessarily.
It isn't like you are denied asylum and then immediately taken it into custody and deported.
supremeMilo t1_jay5p31 wrote
How about allowing them to legally work and giving them a plane ticket anywhere in the country to fill one of the 10,000,000 open jobs.
jonsconspiracy t1_jaz94wv wrote
Exactly this. They're already here and we need workers. I don't really understand the issue here. Let them all get jobs and start buying their own food and paying their own rent.
supremeMilo t1_jaz9c9g wrote
If they are legal, then they can’t be exploited for illegally low wages. (Republicans mad)
If they aren’t fed and housed grifters aren’t getting paid. (Democrats mad)
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gsbound t1_jauty0a wrote
It doesn’t matter, taxes wouldn’t be any lower, and the city never spends money on anything useful anyways. De blasio slush fund, police lawsuits, cronies in city hall, spending 20x the normal price on a subway line. To me, it doesn’t matter whose pocket this money ends up in, hotel owners, Union bosses, Eric Adams, fuck you could even hand out 130k in cash to each migrant and my life wouldn’t change at all
Alert_Engineering_70 t1_jaun55d wrote
NYC shouldn't be doing this at all. It's not sustainable or wise to send people from some poorest nations to super expensive NYC. Just another scam where connected friends are getting paid and over charging in the process. $300 a night for a crappy unoccupied hotel room?. Which makes 2 rooms 18k a month (no kitchen or common living area) Anyone in this sub want to lease out their 2 bedroom to the city for 18k a month ?
ChurchPicnicFlareGun t1_jaur7o9 wrote
But if you say “send them back” which is the actual solution you’re called a nazi, so when you think about it, is $4 billion a year that could obviously be better spent elsewhere such a big deal? Totally worth not being called an asshole, right?? That’s like the worst thing in the world.
retiredfromfire t1_jaxdjlv wrote
One of the longest borders on earth. Insufficient resources from both the left and the right of the isle, because they're too busy making political hay and not actually solving any problems. Violence and poverty in their home countries are driving this. The flood of people isnt going to stop because your head lives in the 1950's
Evening_Presence_927 t1_jaxk5rk wrote
Bullshit. Democrats have had a plan for decades to reform the immigration system through expansion of courts and eliminating bureaucratic cruft in order to allow us to process more people faster. It’s Republicans who are the ones who are stonewalling that outright and then turning around and saying they’re “for open borders” and “weak on immigration.”
retiredfromfire t1_jb1feum wrote
If Democrats are so F'ing ready, why then are they having so much trouble dealing with a surge of immigrants when they're bussed in?
Evening_Presence_927 t1_jb1fwxj wrote
Lmao Adams is not a democrat. He just parades as one cuz he knows he’d never win in New York otherwise.
throwaway7891236j t1_javdsem wrote
there are other solutions besides send them back like maybe if the federal government wasn't putting them in cages or nyc city gov wasnt various grifts for the mayors closest associates (not shitting on adam's obviously this has been true for every mayor)
Live-Election9413 t1_jawehre wrote
The harsh reality is this is going to affect New Yorkers in the long run because if they don’t send them back. A policy will be needed that will affect low wage New Yorkers already struggling to get and maybe even threaten their job . Who knows .
thisMatrix_isReal t1_jax0ssx wrote
have a look at Peter Santenello videos about his trips at the border.
No city should be doing this, not only NYC.
djdjddhdhdh t1_jax7r8c wrote
His stuff is really good, haven’t seen the new border ones tho
thisMatrix_isReal t1_jaxcqco wrote
latest one just published today .
djdjddhdhdh t1_jb3es7p wrote
Just saw the last 2, crazy stuff. Although really interesting about the lettuce farmers, I’ve often wondered why in the last few years they’ve been all these infection outbreaks from lettuce. Quite literally I haven’t eaten romaine in like 2 years, which isn’t a big deal cuz I like arugula more lol
mrfudface t1_jb4fc8v wrote
>romaine
Tastes like Water & is nutrition wise on a lower scale anyway
dproma t1_jau0w2y wrote
“Gotham’s Department of Homeless Services and Health & Hospitals each spend an average of $363 daily to provide food and shelter for just a single migrant.”
That comes out to $10,890 / month for living expenses.
To visualize:
You can live in a luxury high rise 1 Bdr at 555TEN for $4995/month. And spend $12 for breakfast, $92.50 for lunch and $92.50 for dinner.
Life is good as an immigrant.
wefarrell t1_javzb5g wrote
Life is good as someone getting paid to feed and house migrants. They're not living that well, the money is going to corruption.
dproma t1_jawk5wz wrote
Yes I was being sarcastic. You know their living conditions are bad and the meals are shit. Gotta maximize those profits from government funds
SirJoeffer t1_jaufk5v wrote
Life probably isn’t great for the people who got bussed to a new city in a foreign land to become wards of the state but I am sure that whatever bureaucrats are in charge of these programs have a lot of friends in hotels and food service that suddenly got a lot richer
iv2892 t1_javwxj7 wrote
This is the federal government responsibility , where the hell is Biden ?
Therealdirtyburdie t1_jay1izt wrote
Unfortunately, anywhere except where we need him, Ukraine, Delaware, etc.
Lookup_John_Money t1_jawq5rh wrote
Last I saw he was on-stage brambling on about the nurse at the hospital that whispered in his ear and made him horny.
drpvn t1_jaubo5m wrote
I’ve noticed the usual hardcore progressives don’t show up on threads on this topic to scold about how it’s a made-up problem.
myassholealt t1_jawic7t wrote
Would you try to put out a 4 alarm fire with a cup of water? This sub is a cesspool and some threads are a waste of time to even open cause you will be -100 within 30 minutes of posting a comment.
drpvn t1_jawkjl2 wrote
Doesn’t stop the hardcore progs from doing that on crime threads.
It’s almost like everyone realizes that the migrant situation is an actual crisis that can’t be dismissed as right-wing hysteria.
Ok-Entrepreneur4365 t1_jc0rc5g wrote
Imagine worrying about karma instead of trying to present an actual solid argument from your political views
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wefarrell t1_jax3mr8 wrote
That’s a strawman argument, few would acknowledge it isn’t a problem. Progressives take issue with a restriction in immigration being the only solution. Building more housing would be a good start.
Meanwhile those on the right will simultaneously complain about immigration and inflation without realizing that a drop in immigration is one of the leading causes for rising prices right now.
drpvn t1_jax4o2y wrote
More housing would be good but “build more housing” is not a useful or thoughtful response to an acute and immediate immigration crisis.
wefarrell t1_jax7eht wrote
The rate of illegal immigration has been declining since 2007 (not counting 2020 for obvious reasons) so I’m not sure what the scope of the “immediate problem” you refer to.
Are you referring to certain presidential hopefuls choosing to send migrants by the bus load to NYC?
drpvn t1_jax7s2m wrote
The immediate problem of “asylum seekers” flooding the city at immense and unsustainable cost. Yes, that’s what I’m referring to. Perhaps you’ve heard about it.
wefarrell t1_jaz28zx wrote
They’re not choosing to come here, they’re being bussed in.
drpvn t1_jaz2c4d wrote
Oh well I guess it’s not a problem at all, then!
wefarrell t1_jaz2ko8 wrote
It’s a problem that’s been engineered by republican governors.
drpvn t1_jaz2o48 wrote
Only took you four comments to get around to acknowledging there’s a problem.
wefarrell t1_jaz3gtg wrote
I acknowledged it right away but you weren’t clear on scope. I wasn’t sure if it was the one we’ve been hearing about for the last 20 years plus or the one created by Republican governors but you’ve made it clear it’s the latter.
drpvn t1_jaz6s59 wrote
The question is what should be done about the problem. Whining about how Republican governors are mean isn’t working.
wefarrell t1_jaz774y wrote
Nobody’s whining. If you want to deal with the problem you need to deal with the cause.
drpvn t1_jaz78jr wrote
What does that mean?
wefarrell t1_jaz7oyk wrote
For one, prevent people from being bussed against their will or under false pretenses.
drpvn t1_jaz7pqk wrote
How?
wefarrell t1_jaz7upe wrote
Consequences for those who are sending them here.
drpvn t1_jaz7vzn wrote
What does that mean?
wefarrell t1_jaz855k wrote
You asking what kind of consequences?
drpvn t1_jaz88ms wrote
I’ve had enough for the night. You have approximately zero ideas. Good night!
wefarrell t1_jaz8h4q wrote
I just gave you an idea which is more than you can do.
drpvn t1_jaz8rpp wrote
Your idea was gibberish.
I would recommend lawsuits against every state sending them here, and also full-throated appeals to the Biden administration for billions to pay for this shit, with nonstop pressure and condemnation of the administration until the assistance is in hand. The legal issues aren’t clean and may not be a winner but it beats doing nothing.
wefarrell t1_jaz9c75 wrote
Only took you 11 threads to stop complaining and offer a solution. Good job and goodnight.
LL5566 t1_jaw4px9 wrote
Please, they are illegal immigrants. Stop using the wrong Terminology legal migrants are legal. These are illegals, as a New Yorker who busts his but every day working, my taxes and my fellow coworkers taxes are paying for it. And many of them are legal immigrants and they are livid!!! This is not sustainable and so absurd. And if anybody feels the need to deflect focus of my statement and criticize inclusion of the proper term “illegal”. Please don’t waste your breath.
kinovelo t1_jawhwxj wrote
No, people waiting their asylum hearings are in legal limbo. People in jail or out on bail aren’t convicted criminals; they’re alleged criminals.
Doctor_Zaius13 t1_jaxd12s wrote
Ok, fine, then they're just trespassing.
ripstep1 t1_jawr6r8 wrote
They are only in legal limbo because blue voters want immigrants to sit in NYC while they await a lengthy trial process.
mrpeeng t1_jawl5q7 wrote
Do they want to rent out my apartment for 400 a night? I'll give the city a discount of $350 a night. I'll gladly go live somewhere else if the city is willing to pay me 12k+ a month instead of a hotel.
djdjddhdhdh t1_jax81k7 wrote
Go make a 5k donation to the adams reelection campaign it might just happen lol
chillwellcfc1900 t1_jaxxdmv wrote
My dad has two apartments combined in LES that he rents for $500 a month. I'll gladly rent his place out even for just a week
Brokeliner t1_jaz99ll wrote
Must be nice to have a landlord that doesn’t know what inflation is. I bet he still gives his grandkids a $5 bill in their birthday cards tho
babywutwutwut99 t1_jb2kkpn wrote
More like rent controlled and handing it down to their kids.
Exxcommunicado t1_javvhu1 wrote
And we can’t even get a pothole fixed 🤷🏻♂️
mrpeeng t1_jawkspx wrote
I think those are 2 different city departments working off different budgets.
1600hazenstreet t1_jatw6hl wrote
Just raise more taxes. Whats the problem. /s
exbethelelder t1_javunyy wrote
Why are they doing this when NYC has like 100,000 homeless people they don't even care for? Should we send our homeless to Guatemala where they will receive better care? The system is broken.
NetQuarterLatte t1_jatylms wrote
The city is now indirectly subsidizing Uber eats deliveries.
yehhey t1_jav1dt2 wrote
Lmao basically
3Dingo t1_jattoc6 wrote
Small price to pay to proudly be a sanctuary city. Well done New York!
NihFin t1_jatucsz wrote
I’d prefer not to be a sanctuary city
daslyvillian t1_jaufboi wrote
Its what we voted for!
Dont_mute_me_bro t1_javjtl4 wrote
It's what some people voted for. Too many. Not all.
Zodiac5964 t1_jauv2yi wrote
sanctuary city is fine, the problem here is they are getting the costs very wrong. $363 daily/$10,890 monthly per immigrant doesn't sound reasonable at all, and it's significantly higher than the living expenses for the majority of us NYC residents.
Anyone saying "small price to pay" is not looking at the details enough or asking enough questions. There is absolutely no reason to believe these ridiculously high costs are just what they are, and that there's no inefficiency/waste/recklessness/corruption.
Doctor_Zaius13 t1_jaxdgb2 wrote
I thought the lady from the commercials said we could feed the poor for like 20 cents a week.
We should be taking care of our own homeless and poor before everyone else's.
GettingPhysicl t1_javlgvc wrote
you and i had a different view of sanctuary. I just meant 'feel free to come here and do your thing, documented or not'
iv2892 t1_javx64a wrote
The federal government is responsible for this
Therealdirtyburdie t1_jay1az6 wrote
This administration is responsible for this
ripstep1 t1_jawqmcc wrote
Blue voters asked for this.
Complete_Choice_3536 t1_jaxavvj wrote
That is not the solution . Nor is bad mouthing people . It is a situation for people to live freely. Help with the solution or be quiet
ripstep1 t1_jaxg4kh wrote
The solution is everyone should wait in Mexico because their asylum hearing.
Throwawayacc_i983b t1_jaxgusm wrote
Regardless of how you feel about migrants, this is still obviously a money laundering scheme or at the very least, pure incompetence.
This is not to mention all the donations pouring in. These people don’t need luxury brand hotels in Manhattan, they need a decent shelter and good enough food at the very least if you’re going to help them the right way.
tearsana t1_jb4x6uk wrote
Trying to build shelters in UES just get the liberals there fired up and come out and oppose shelters.
thisisntmineIfoundit t1_jau85ky wrote
Get any indie film producer on the horn they will feed a hundred people with just as many dollars. These amounts are so insulting.
kinovelo t1_jawig9n wrote
They need to hire more judges and make their asylum decisions in days rather than months. If granted asylum, they could start working and contributing to society, and if denied, they’d be deported. Either way, it’d help everybody, as nobody benefits from being in this limbo situation.
Also, aren’t there lower cost of living areas to house people who aren’t able to work? It doesn’t benefit them being close commuting distance to office buildings with high-paying white-collar jobs, and as a result, the market value is super-high.
Suspicious_Error_722 t1_jawnqy8 wrote
Those low cost living areas in the city have a waiting list of New Yorkers that need it. The shelters are full, they would have to move them out of the city to get low cost housing. It would be unfair to give a migrant the housing that was promised to our own citizens. That would just provide a huge divide between the people in the city. The cost of living in NY for housing keeps increasing, so much so that some of the “affordable housing” units being built apparently need a required salary of $75+. We have corruption all over the city when it comes to housing too. I saw a building labeled adoptable housing on the lottery that require $100,000 income in Queens. I question how someone that makes that much requires a building built by a program meant for needy NYers.
kinovelo t1_jawrlo1 wrote
There’s a 300,000 square foot former university on 400 acres about 100 miles north in Dutchess county on the market for $16 million. There are hundreds of rooms there that could house migrants for a fraction of the cost of housing them on some of the most expensive land in the planet earth.
If they were able to work, there are also plenty of farms that could benefit from migrant labor up there.
Also, the more money you make, the more money you pay for “affordable housing.” Somebody who makes $100k would pay $2,500 in rent, whereas someone who makes $30k would pay $750. Let’s say market rate is $3k, so it’s losing $500 vs. losing $2,250.
Suspicious_Error_722 t1_jax34vc wrote
As I said before, the housing would have to outside of the city. Considering most NYers need actual affordable housing. Someone making $100,000 can get normal housing. You don’t need to construct a building dedicated to that, it would have made sense as an actual “affordable housing” building that had units for multiple incomes like they did when the program started. Having a building that starts at $100,000 doesn’t make sense, someone with that income can afford housing.
kinovelo t1_jax56xh wrote
Nobody would construct a building where they’d lose money because all of the tenants are low-income and only pay 25% of market rate. Getting $2,500 for a $3K apartment is likely sustainable (they’d more than break even on that); getting $750 likely is not. The developer would likely go bankrupt if all units cost that little.
Ultimately, we need to reduce market rates across the board, where profit margins for developers are lower, but the idea that people are entitled to “free stuff” just because of their income isn’t going to fix anything on a macro-level other than for a select few people that win a lottery.
Suspicious_Error_722 t1_jax7a4a wrote
It is my understanding that the developers are benefiting from the program through a contract from the city. Not all of the apartments in these housing lotteries are the same price or are at decreased value. The apartments range from $36 - $75 or more. The point of the program is to provide affordable housing to people that need it. It has been sustainable because only a percentage are required to be affordable. However, making a building under the program that benefits from what should have been for people within the 45-80 bracket doesn’t make sense if it isn’t accessible to those people. People with those brackets aren’t considered low income and cannot benefit from any other program in the city. It is just corrupt for someone to use funds for a program meant for the sole purpose of providing housing options to people in the city that need it with rising costs of living. Especially when you consider rent is the larger bill anyone has on a monthly basis. Someone making $100,000 isn’t someone with a need. No one is saying they can’t make the building, just don’t use the affordable housing program to do it.
You won’t be able to control the market price, that’s why the affordable program exists. That was the entire purpose of it. Money is set aside for the program and why is it we can offer tax breaks to the rich or forgive banks but we can’t have a program that benefits the working class. You know the people that still pay taxes but struggle. It doesn’t make sense to me.
djdjddhdhdh t1_jax8bzz wrote
They’ve tried it got protested to hell
proudbakunkinman t1_jawxjfp wrote
I think this requires more federal intervention or at least state help, it's too complicated to handle at a city level. The city is just going to do what is the fastest and easiest, which means the most expensive and not sustainable for long without making things worse. I'm not sure how much Biden can do without help from congress (with the House being run by Republicans) though. But maybe there's at least more that can be done at the state level, like splitting up the migrants into several cities and not putting most of the burden on NYC.
ExcuseGreat6989 t1_jaxm88h wrote
Great way to get a lot of Republicans elected.
sctp1999 t1_jatvlbz wrote
That's $3,650,000,000 three billion six hundred fifty million a year ...and what is the deficit?
spicytoastaficionado t1_jaybn54 wrote
This is the epitome of r/leopardsatemyface but if you post this story there it'll get deleted because that sub has sadly become a partisan political circle jerk
myassholealt t1_jawhz24 wrote
And if you audited that $10 mill I'll bet you'll find a good percentage of that money is being cashed by various consultants and "non profits" that aren't actually achieving anything and if you removed them from the equation, the migrants wouldn't be affected at all.
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CanaKitty t1_jax7y95 wrote
Why can’t we bus/fly them back to Texas?
spicytoastaficionado t1_jay4hu8 wrote
How many migrants would be willing to go back to Texas, which doesn't have nearly the amount of benefits and protections that New York does?
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Therealdirtyburdie t1_jay0lok wrote
I’ll give you one better! a Chinese businessman named jubao Xie owns the biggest holiday inn in Manhattan 492 rooms he was going into bankruptcy and in front of the judge he offered to pay his creditors $.10 on the dollar the judge turned around and said I have a better idea New York State is gonna give you $190per room To house migrants. That hotel has 492 rooms that works out to be $34,200,000 a year!!!! that’s coming out of our tax dollars that does not include food, healthcare, medical cell phones, and whatever else New York State is giving away with all our tax dollars.
babywutwutwut99 t1_jb2kyn6 wrote
How much of a kickback do you think the judge is getting?
Therealdirtyburdie t1_jb2nr99 wrote
I’m sure a lot of people are getting a cut
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KidAstoria t1_jauatwj wrote
Better than spending it on bike lanes.
jeffsayno t1_jawakzn wrote
don't blame the migrants.... its the bureaucracy's fault. I'm sure migrants think it's ridiculous too.... we need an independent party to handle this
squall571 t1_jawazyh wrote
The migrants don’t think it’s ridiculous, they want even more.
canyouwink t1_jau4r7w wrote
Just take it out of the NYPD budget
hortence1234 t1_javuddl wrote
Yeah stupid take
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sidewaysrebel14 t1_jatvlgs wrote
For context that is $4 billion dollars on an annualized basis or $132,500 per migrant. Feels unsustainable - should either lower the cost to something manageable (read shelter housing not paid for hotel rooms in Manhattan, the most expensive place on earth) or move them upstate or better yet to the interior of the country where there’s a combination of labor shortages and cheaper cost of living