bigpony t1_ja161jp wrote
Although I do not agree with any anti-semiticsm.... I'm a descendant of those tortured by Columbus only to come to America and have a whole Columbus Day and be forcefully taught lies about him and my family as routine schooling (He never even came to America he just raped manatees and children in the Caribbean.
So between this and the thousands of TRAITOR CONFEDERATE STATUES there is no moral track record with naming anything here. This is a daily assault for most marginalized people.
stansvan t1_ja1bo00 wrote
Oh. So you are saying it's wrong but keep doing it? Because two wrongs make it right? Hmm. That can be some of these politicians slogan. Mistakes have been made in the past, elect me and I will make sure they continue into the future.
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Ok_Yogurtcloset8915 t1_ja1flcm wrote
it's just odd that your takeaway here is "naming more streets after racists doesn't matter" instead of "maybe we ought to rename Columbus circle if renaming streets is a priority"
bigpony t1_ja1hi8z wrote
Yeah, I think although it sucks it's totally legal here to be racist.
Renaming streets I don't think is a major city priority except for the neighborhoods they happen in. I live in an area of NYC fighting to keep it's ethnic name, (we will most likely lose) but i wouldn't consider that newsworthy fodder for anyone outside my zipcode..
I care about the real material conditions of NYers and leaving space for every community to set up their own cultural milestones.
Would we rename chambers street? Should we rename the stock market. Whos racism gets to stay and whos is intolerable?
If the issue is "named after a racist person" its a drop in the east river.
I have clearly illustrated why Columbus crimes/myth goes way beyond racism.
spicytoastaficionado t1_ja2z4ex wrote
>leaving space for every community to set up their own cultural milestones.
If a "cultural milestone" is defined by lionizing a notorious bigot who founded an antisemitic and racist prison cult, that culture is trash.
bigpony t1_ja36ybh wrote
I'm not even disagreeing with you on this one.
I'm not a fan of Hebrew Israelites, NOI etc.
They are still a community. Hate to say it but they did a lot of good things for their own as well.
stansvan t1_ja1fuau wrote
I think it's very newsworthy. Shows the blatant contradiction of politicians and those who support them.
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bimbolimbotimbo t1_ja1wa65 wrote
Eye for an eye makes the whole world blind
bigpony t1_ja35j2w wrote
I don't like the naming. I don't like the NOI. but these are fairly elected people naming things with what I assume to be community support. He is from that area it makes sense for them that the most prominent figures from THAT neighborhood be remembered.
I never suggested eye-for-an-eye ... really interesting that your mind took you there.
But lets be honest how is this any different than a confederate flag. Which is arguably more extreme!
This is selective outrage. A different set of moral standards for black people.
As far as I know Elijah never took over any countries or tortured thousands of people right? Please correct me if i am wrong.
As a nyer we live amongst many cults include the falon gong who we let go on with their shen yun performances in peace...
chunkybuttflake t1_ja3gxcw wrote
Nah he just raped kids
bigpony t1_ja4dbnr wrote
thats def messed up
bimbolimbotimbo t1_ja3ko7n wrote
All of the stuff named after confederates has been around for a long time and we are actively phasing those out. This is happening today in modern times, that’s definitely a problem
bigpony t1_ja4f37c wrote
A long time ago? What is a long time? This guy died in the 1970s, by your logic shouldn't time erase that meaning?
The erection of these confederate monuments peaked in the 1950s as a response to the civil rights movement. Not after the war. The people who put them up are the daughters of the confederacy and they are still VERY (20k active members and a facebook group.) They are switching tactics and going after school boards now.
I am not aware of any large concerted effort to 'phase these out' can you enlighten me on this further?
I'm confused as to your stance. Does time erase meaning or should the confederate statues and the street name be removed? What is your opinion?
bimbolimbotimbo t1_ja9sdux wrote
You’re just looking for an argument are ya?
bigpony t1_jac2yyd wrote
Discussions. Discourse. That’s why i politely asked your opinion. Why escalate to argument?
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