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Ares6 t1_j7lus6o wrote

Reply to comment by brooklynlad in 'Surprise' in Canada as NYC buses migrants to border by esporx

That’s an issue in almost all developed countries. However, they won’t have to deal with the other issues in the US like crime rates, healthcare costs, lack of social safety nets, and other issues plaguing the US. Most people would choose to live in Canada over the US given the option.

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Tatar_Kulchik t1_j7m6guw wrote

Crime in USA is quite low. And where there is rampant crime tends to be located in very specific areas.

Healthcare is expensive, but at least the quality is good (many people from rest of world will travel to USA for special surgeries and treatments).

There is welfare, foods stamps, ebt, etc... Could be better but this isn't INdia where the only social safety nets are through private charities and organizations

ANd many developed countries have a variety of these issues.

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Ares6 t1_j7malbj wrote

Crime in the US is low in comparison to the countries these people came from, correct. But when compared to countries of similar wealth, crime in the US is much higher. Crime in the US is much higher than in Canada. Crime in the US is a symptom of poverty and inequality.

The US spends more on healthcare than any country in the world. So while it’s systems may be great. It’s unaffordable to most people. As these are migrants, who will for the time being take on low wage jobs. Healthcare in the US would be unaffordable to them. One bad injury could set someone into bad medical debt.

The US has worse safety nets than in much of the countries on its caliber. Getting food stamps is not easy. The way the system of welfare is designed in the US is that you have to ensure you make just enough to qualify. Going over that amount will make you ineligible. The issue with this is that going over the requirements would actually make you worse off economically. Which is why it’s so common for people to not even take a raise at work. Or stay in the same position. This combined with expensive healthcare makes you worse off economically than a poor person in Canada.

Many developed countries have issues. In fact every country has issues. The issues unique to the US are problems that were fixed in the past. But made worse because we forgot why those systems were in place. Or just absolute refusal to fix an issue and do everything else instead of fixing them.

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Tatar_Kulchik t1_j7mrimg wrote

>Crime in the US is a symptom of poverty and inequality.

Correct, which is why crime is located in very specific areas. The areas I have always lived worked or studied in US have been very safe.

It's not like it is a wide spread issue. It's very localised.

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Ares6 t1_j7q36cj wrote

Which in comparison to other developed nations is still awful. There really isn’t an argument there. Crime in the US should not be as high as it is. Especially for a developed country.

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Tatar_Kulchik t1_j7q6fv5 wrote

Yes there is an argument. Crime is located in very specific areas. It's not like it is a widespread issue affecting the whole of the country evenly.

In fact, if you remove the 'bottom 10% of society', crime in the US drops like 40%.

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Here are some crime stats across countries:

https://www.civitas.org.uk/content/files/crime_stats_oecdjan2012.pdf

Rape is much higher in many OECD countries outside of USA.

So is robbery.

So is assault.

So is burglary.

So is vehicle theft (and anecdottaly, my car has never been stolen in USA or Russia, but my car in England was stolen :) )

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Ares6 t1_j7qa5ly wrote

Your source proves my point. In almost every instance the US is ranked high in crime rates. And removing percentages to make things feel better for you is wrong. The US in fact has a crime issue. A person is more safer in Germany than in the US. They are safer in Canada than in the US. Crime in the US is a known issue. There is no argument here. If you are comparing the US to a third world country than yeah sure it’s safer. But as your stats show, in much of the developed world. You are much safer in other countries outside the US.

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Tatar_Kulchik t1_j7mrl44 wrote

ANd to think of how many millions still come to the USA... omg!!!!!!!!!!

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