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x_birche_x t1_j05dsm2 wrote

For some reason, it appears that Mel Brooks has declined it several times.

Jerry Seinfeld, Larry David, Matt Groening, Jim Carrey, Chris Rock, Conan Obrien, Amy Poehler, Trey Parker, Matt Stone, Weird Al Yankovic, Mike Judge, Jane Curtain, Tracey Ullman, Kenan Thompson, Kristen Wiig, Tyler Perry, Stephen Colbert, Steve Carell, Jack Black, and Michael Schur are some of the others who have yet to win.

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djpresstone t1_j05fmo3 wrote

Didn’t Tina Fey win it? And said, “One hundred years from now, people may look back on my work and remark as we have of Mark Twain’s, ‘wow that was actually pretty racist’”

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ArrestDeathSantis t1_j06cu0m wrote

That's so weird though, I feel like it's missing the point.

Mark Twain was a product of his time but he was also trying to change things, to make them better than they were, to end slavery.

Ofc it doesn't shield his works from criticism yet whenever they are being critiqued it should be taken into consideration.

I'm black and I like Mark Twain. He probably would've looked down on me because of my skin color, after all he wouldn't know better, but I still like him because he helped the idea "colored people should be free too" to propagate.

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LasciviousApemantus t1_j06misv wrote

Have you read his "who is a republic" speech? Honestly its one of the most beautiful inspiring pieces of american writing i have ever read.

If you think N***** Jim was racist then you probably don't understand satire. Its like saying Orwell was a Stalinist or Kafka advocated senseless bureaucracy. The whole point is to skewer the ideology through its satirical portrayal. I mean, by no means was he "politically correct" even for his time. xD But the guy was a champion of liberty and justice for all 100%.

I mean just listen to this excerpt:

"--This Republic's life is not in peril. The nation has sold its honor for a phrase. It has swung itself loose from its safe anchorage and is drifting, its helm is in pirate hands. The stupid phrase needed help, and it got another one: "Even if the war be wrong we are in it and must fight it out: we cannot retire from it without dishonor." Why, not even a burglar could have said it better. We cannot withdraw from this sordid raid because to grant peace to those little people on their terms--independence--would dishonor us.--"

Straight up championing filipino independence and civils rights when no one else would. Speaking the truth with a sharp tongue thats still even more relevant today than it was then. Anyone who shits on Mark Twain has clearly never read Mark Twain.

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ArrestDeathSantis t1_j089fxf wrote

I agree with you, that's exactly what I mean when I say that it's missing the point.

Even when he's being "racially insensitive", he's not doing it to promote a bigoted ideology or as an easy way to fame like modern right wing comedians are doing, he's doing it for the exact opposite.

It's like being mad at Schindler for making Jews work in his factory, basically.

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NURGLICHE t1_j0krihd wrote

Taking jobs away from hard working free people!

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Sad_Butterscotch9057 t1_j092fee wrote

I firmly believe that 'Huckleberry Finn' wasn't banned for racist language: that was the excuse to ban it for teaching youth to make their own ethical choices in rebellion against an unjust society.

I was raised in a staunchly Catholic home, but it was a scene in Huckleberry Finn that helped free me from 'the Church': Huck decides that if freeing Jim would send him to hell (as he was taught) he'd far rather the company in hell.

"It was a close place. I took . . . up [the letter I’d written to Miss Watson], and held it in my hand. I was a-trembling, because I’d got to decide, forever, betwixt two things, and I knowed it. I studied a minute, sort of holding my breath, and then says to myself: “All right then, I’ll go to hell”—and tore it up. It was awful thoughts and awful words, but they was said. And I let them stay said; and never thought no more about reforming."

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LasciviousApemantus t1_j0bgyyo wrote

Its kind of a theme in Twains writing. That doing the right thing often comes at the cost of doing the wrong thing in the eyes of the public.

This passage is straight up burned into my brain. I think about it so often and it kind of informs my whole moral philosophy: "Every man must speak, and it is a solemn and weighty responsibility not to lightly be flung aside at the bullying of the pulpit, press, or the empty catch phrases of politicians. You cannot shirk this and be a man. To decide against your convictions is to be an unqualified and inexcusable traitor both to yourself and to your country, let men label you as they may. If you alone of all the nation shall decide one way and that way be the right way according to your convictions of what is right, hold your head high, you have nothing to be ashamed of."

Like god damn dude. Still gives me chills every time i read it. Like its not just a responsibility to fight for what you think is right but also to not fool yourself and fight for a cause you know deep down isn't right and convince yourself that it is. So many people harbor insincere causes or bear flags for a false sense of justice and false sense of morality either because its easy or because it benefits them but he's straight up saying that they're cowards for taking the easy way out. And that real truth and real justice is never the easy road, it's the path less traveled and it takes real courage and conviction to walk that path alone.

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Sad_Butterscotch9057 t1_j0blu27 wrote

Absolutely correct, although it's worth it to reexamine one's convictions, conventional or otherwise.

Also Thoreau:

"Any man more right than his neighbors constitutes a majority of one already."

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andre6682 t1_j08mlmj wrote

well, people are often stupid, like a few centuries ago, when they misinterpreted macchiavellis il principe as an instruction for dictatorships, ignoring the essence of his discorsi as his magnum opus, while the former was just the things he saw were happening and not what he liked, but thought of empirical facts (or at least what he percieved)

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LasciviousApemantus t1_j0bhbdn wrote

I feel like il principe was more a guide on how to navigate a fucked up world that has to operate like this rather than advocating for a world that does operate like that. More pragmatism than nihilism.

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88leo t1_j09pjgw wrote

Its only an insult and completely derogatory now because it was the commonly used adjective at that time. At that time it was just the word used.

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LasciviousApemantus t1_j0b1plg wrote

Yeah theres a lot of stuff that falls into the "euphemistic cycle" where words develop a negative association and are replaced by euphemisms that in turn develop a negative association and are replaced by further euphemisms through a linguistic process called pejoration.

Its Karen's Maxim: All words are doomed to become offensive given enough exposure to time, resentment and sheer boredom.

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88leo t1_j0f78uh wrote

He said N*** Jim to make sure people knew he was referring to a black man, not to be insulting in a sarcastic way, and when you look at it that way he actually may have moved the meaning of the word from a commonly used neutral word to a negative.

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Accomplished-Ad4334 t1_j079bxv wrote

Interesting point. I took a Africana studies class in college and one of the debates with this opinion is that by believing someone was a product of their time, it erases the people who actually did believe that black people deserved rights and were equal like the whites during this period.

Just food for thought.

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ArrestDeathSantis t1_j07ci75 wrote

I understand, but that's not exactly the point I was making.

Mark Twain, for example, did believe that black people deserved rights and deserved to be treated like white people, but he still held some beliefs that conflicted with these ideas.

I'm not saying we should completely ignore the second part to focus on the first, I'm saying we should look at the second part under the light of the first part.

If, on the other hand, he had openly argued in favor of slavery, in favor of an unjust society, then it would be a completely different situation but this is not what he did.

An other good example of this, Schindler. Schindler was antisemitic, he even joined the Nazi party, but he ended saving thousands of Jews by risking his life every second of every day.

John Brown held some racist beliefs too, but he died, hanged, trying to end slavery.

These are people of their time but they elevated themselves above it, above their misconceptions and their prejudices, to fight for what they believed was right.

This not like saying "General Lee was a man of his time", for example.

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WobblyBlade t1_j092tin wrote

"A product of their time" is a reasonable framework to compare people to, because it highlights the areas where they were pushing forward toward something better. It shouldn't be a justification for people that did nothing, or doubled down on the status quo. When someone says look at mark Twain the man was a racist, comparing him to his time is like using a red filter to find the blue lines in a hidden message picture. It highlights the ways they were different and progressive. Or at least it can. Everyone is a product of the culture they came from. What's important is how they pushed forward. We do need to remember that no one breaks the mold completely. We just get to make sure the next generation's mold is better.

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wadamday t1_j07idhc wrote

I'm a pretty big fan of Mark Twain and Tina Fey. I like the self deprecating misdirection of the joke. I don't necessarily agree with the criticism of Mark Twain but at the same time if someone wrote a satirical n***** Jim character today it would not be well received. It's also interesting that Fey made that comment in 2010 and roughly 10 years later several black face scenes from her show 30 Rock have been pulled from streaming services. Some of those scenes I think most people would agree were in bad taste.

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ArrestDeathSantis t1_j07oa8g wrote

I'm not really familiar with Tina Fey's work to be honest, but is she using her work in a politically engaged manner like Mark Twain?

Because that's specifically why I'm defending Mark Twain, he was using his work for equality. He didn't used these words to diminish black people like black faces were used, he used them to promote black people, he used his work that contained some measure of racism to advocate for our rights.

That's completely different than say a modern right wing humorist who makes racist jokes to appeal to a specific audience or to promote a bigoted ideology.

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wadamday t1_j07rqrj wrote

From her sitcom 30 Rock and her time at SNL I would say her political engagement is minor, mostly due to the format of those shows. They often make fun of right leaning people/beliefs but it's not very deep. The comedy style is silly and absurd.

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BadMedAdvice t1_j08evud wrote

Eh... Maybe? He did use a lot of racist speech. But last I looked, the characters that act as racists are portrayed in ways ranging from ignorant to outright stupid. And Mark Twain was a character himself, playing a more yokel type personality than Samuel Clemens really was.

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ArrestDeathSantis t1_j08f1kt wrote

Yes, that's what I said, it's missing the point

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BadMedAdvice t1_j08k9qc wrote

Well, yeah. But you said you think that Mark Twain would likely look down on you for being black. I'm suggesting that may not be true. That the man behind Mark Twain wasn't a racist, by measure of his time or ours. That Mark Twain was a character that was deliberately rough around the edges, and pretty anti-racist by free standards of that time... Which implies that the guy considering that character a hick was less racist than that.

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ArrestDeathSantis t1_j08nv35 wrote

Oh, I hear what you say.

Have you ever heard the expression 'mansplaining'?

I don't particularly agree with it but it's an useful device to explain my point.

Men who are said to mansplain are not necessarily men who hates women, who want to see them enslaved or so, they just have a tendency to believe women know less than them.

This is still sexism. Anyway, so I theorized that it might be possible that he would have seen me in such a way, because of the prejudices and because of the situation of the black population at that time.

That's what I meant by that, and I could be completely wrong, either way I'm not too flustered about it.

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BadMedAdvice t1_j099k3i wrote

Oh, man. Sorry. Didn't intend to make you feel like I was trying to talk over you. I was more trying to play devil's advocate.

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ArrestDeathSantis t1_j09h8tr wrote

Oh nah, we good?

I was just explaining my thought process here, nothing against you, I thought you'd understand where I came from.

Edit: Oh god no that wasn't aimed at you, that was just, as I said, a device to explain what I meant in my original comment that you asked clarification about.

I was just explaining that it might be possible that a man from this era, as enlightened as they may be, may hold similar "soft" prejudices against someone of my complexion, especially in that era.

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88leo t1_j09p7xu wrote

words had different meanings 100 years ago. People now are completely and stubbornly immune to any appreciation of that. Even if understand that there was a different thing being said it doesn't sink in.

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CatchMeWritinQWERTY t1_j08owyk wrote

Yeah I mean she is basically indirectly making that same point. Her statement is not a put down of Twain. She doesn’t see herself as racist and she doesn’t do things in the spirit of putting down marginalized groups but she is acknowledging that she (like Twain and literally every other comedian and satirist) is a product of her times and will have hundreds of jokes or bits that don’t “age well”

I see it as a statement that any comedian who takes risks will say or do something that will cross a line in someone’s mind now or in the future. No one is immune, even the most socially conscious individual.

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ArrestDeathSantis t1_j08pr64 wrote

Well, hear me here.

Doing bigoted jokes because that's en vogue is not the same as doing bigoted bits to deconstruct the idea.

I'm not familiar with Tina Fey's work, as I already pointed out, but it can only be similar if her goals were similar.

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2bad2care t1_j06u6yj wrote

>For some reason, it appears that Mel Brooks has declined it several times.

I think he had a falling out with Mark Twain when he was younger.

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Internal_Vanilla_467 t1_j09me7c wrote

Mark came into his office to pitch an idea. And Mel felt that he was just an upstart kid.

The prize is just rubbing his face in it

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AUniquePerspective t1_j06203a wrote

He's waiting for Kate Winslet and Jack Black to help him get into shape and write him a theme song after Kate moves into Cameron Diaz's house down the street.

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Macca618 t1_j0iaaoe wrote

Dick Van Dyke has never won! They better get busy because he’s 97. That’s atrocious.

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GhostalMedia t1_j05e9im wrote

When he walks up to receive the award, Rob Schneider had better yell “you can do it” from the crowd while wearing a straw hat.

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schnager t1_j0642uy wrote

It probably kills him a little inside to say that, and then he remembers he got a free vacation & 100grand to just kind of be there and say the one line at some formulated "moment"

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peensteen t1_j07uyok wrote

Sandler's coattails must be super comfy.

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peensteen t1_j07uzxg wrote

Sandler's coattails must be super comfy.

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igner_farnsworth t1_j05c6r1 wrote

What... were they judging solely on the amount of material produced? 'Cause I'll give him that... he produces a lot of material.

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FastWalkingShortGuy t1_j05k7r8 wrote

He had a couple of stinker movies, but if you go back to his 90s audio albums, the dude had some gold.

He didn't get famous for sucking.

Sandler gets too much hate, IMO.

He even had some decent dramatic moments in some of his movies.

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LADYBIRD_HILL t1_j05pank wrote

A couple stinkers? Honestly I think he had a couple good movies in the 90s but I'd say a solid 75% of his movies are just not great.

But his dramatic work is great from what I've seen in Punch Drunk Love (made me cry) and uncut gems.

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RantControl t1_j05q2cg wrote

Punch Drunk Love was great. Every other time I see him I just want to punch him in the face.

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stackjr t1_j08fwbq wrote

Not great by any means but I liked Reign Over Me.

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sirbassist83 t1_j08m66a wrote

everything he starred in from airheads to mr deeds was great.

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igner_farnsworth t1_j05n62c wrote

No hate, just not much memory of thinking he's particularly funny. "You can do it!" stuck with me, but that's about it.

I do appreciate that he keeps putting Jennifer Aniston in a bathing suit... for that alone I'm sure Mark Twain would give him a prize.

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BadMedAdvice t1_j08ij07 wrote

Thinking back to Waterboy. Strange movie, because he's technically the lead... But in reality, he's just supporting other people's comedy. Like, all the funniest moments are things that other actors do. And it's not even like he's playing the straight man that occasionally has jokes, like Harrold Ramis in Ghostbusters. He's definitely being funny throughout the movie... It's just that all the best lines and acts went to the "supporting" cast. I'd like to think that's deliberate, and give him credit for the unique style.

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SponConSerdTent t1_j077tdy wrote

Happy Gilmore and Billy Madison are classics, Sandler also was amazing on Saturday Night Live. The dude is legitimately a comedy great.

I prefer comics like George Carlin with some edge to them, but Sandler's goofiness is a purer form of comedy in my eyes.

The movies Click and Spanglish were two of the worst movies I've ever seen, but I don't think you should count the flops against people. Comedy is a genre full of flops, it's really hard to tell which movies are going to be classics until the decades go by.

I don't think anyone making Tommy Boy thought "this is going to be one of the best comedy movies of all time."

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BadMedAdvice t1_j08j46q wrote

Click had so much potential, though. I wouldn't even count that against him. Think it's just that it tried to push a message, and be a proper comedy at the same time. Didn't really commit to either adequately.

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SponConSerdTent t1_j08k19y wrote

Sorry To Bother You was a movie that did both, I would call it a dark comedy. Really depends on what message and how cliche it is.

"You never get wasted time back" is about as cliche as it gets.

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BadMedAdvice t1_j08ksk6 wrote

Well, and it didn't really commit to that message. Nor did it commit to being funny. It tried to span drama and humor equally... And it tripped in the middle. It could have been a good drama with some funny moments. It could have been a good comedy with a message behind it. Instead, it was neither.

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SponConSerdTent t1_j08mv18 wrote

I agree. Also Sandler's goofy shtick doesn't work well with dark themes. A different actor/writer could have done it justice.

The movie would work much better as a dark comedy, but Sandler doesn't really do those. Also think the movie would have been much more effective at the message if they didn't end up taking it all back in the end- like if I'm remembering correctly he ends up going back in time and gets to fix all his mistakes, completely defeating the purpose of the message in the first place.

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awesomesauce1030 t1_j06nw23 wrote

If you have to go back over 20 years to find something funny they've done, they probably don't deserve the Mark Twain Award.

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EdgeOfWetness t1_j0763kp wrote

> He didn't get famous for sucking.

No, he got famous despite sucking

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[deleted] t1_j05ndnx wrote

And just like that <pooof>, the award ceased to have any meaning. Kinda like when Trump gave the Congressional medal of freedom to Limbaugh,

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pittluke t1_j05xsux wrote

Listen to his first comedy album. It was raw and gold when I was young. Nothing like the rom com bs we've been subjected to for 20 years.

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[deleted] t1_j060n1a wrote

I can get on board with that. In a way that makes the award all the more suspect. Giving a lifetime award to someone who was funny for a small window of time is basically just rewarding a flash in the pan.

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smokedstupid t1_j06mlyh wrote

Yes...I too thought he was funny... when I was 12

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pittluke t1_j07cknq wrote

Yea, I did too. When I was 12. I give him props. Also billy Madison is great. You are so big and mature now. You are well respected.

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KingArfer t1_j05aieq wrote

The absolute pinnacle of Adam Sandler’s humor could not equal one deftly placed comma in Twain’s work, but that’s just like, my opinion, man

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squirt619 t1_j05xj8c wrote

Remember when Dave Chappelle won this?

Now he brings Elon Musk on stage.

Yeahhh.

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alexmikli t1_j09ttua wrote

I mean, he got the award for being funny, and he is funny to most people. Granted, Louis CK is pretty funny too but I doubt he'll get it now.

Bill Bur is funnier than both, of course.

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powabiatch t1_j0a10a2 wrote

I was still defending Dave a little until that

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VikingTeddy t1_j0k1u7w wrote

I'm 100% sure Elon wrote a fat check for Dave. He wanted to feel adored and thought this was a good idea.

Now, Dave isn't an idiot. I think he saw an easy paycheck. And his words were carefully chosen. He knew exactly how people would react to "Richest man in the world"

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LouPoh t1_j06syb4 wrote

At least he was and is still funny, despite the booing.

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Cautemoc t1_j07c5cb wrote

One thing I realized about Chappelle is I never really liked parts of his comedy. He was hilarious when telling a story, but once he was making "shock jokes" it got pretty lame.

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CatchMeWritinQWERTY t1_j08pu1i wrote

I’m not just saying this cause it’s cool to rag on him now, but I literally never got why people thought he was some comedic genius. His show had some funny moments but it was pretty much all based on some sophomoric racial humor and stereotypes. Funny sometimes, sure, but nothing groundbreaking.

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BadMedAdvice t1_j08g0la wrote

Clayton Bigsby was funny af... And that's about it. The rest was kinda meh.

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Van_GOOOOOUGH t1_j05cewd wrote

Are they trying to make Mark Twain roll in his grave?

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DracoDruid t1_j061eic wrote

Gotta generate energy anyway you can these days

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Maxiver t1_j060ahx wrote

Man did Uncut Gems and pulled the biggest Uno Reversal Card to save his whole career.

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crackedtooth163 t1_j07hgwu wrote

Can't stand the man but UNCUT GEMS IS ONE OF THE MOST AMAZING ENDINGS EVER

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sirbassist83 t1_j08lll2 wrote

its got such a horrible beginning and middle i didnt make it to the end. i think i gave up like an hour in. i couldnt make it through anger management either. i hate that style of constant stress in movies.

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Last-Of-My-Kind t1_j05uaoi wrote

Dude hasn't been funny for years.

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elpajaroquemamais t1_j06btrq wrote

It’s a lifetime achievement.

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Upper_belt_smash t1_j06yj6v wrote

Hasn’t been funny in my lifetime

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elpajaroquemamais t1_j074s78 wrote

Well then you are less than 30 because he was hilarious in the 90s

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Caeremonia t1_j07w0h1 wrote

No, we were just all younger and dumber in the 90s.

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BadMedAdvice t1_j08guco wrote

Big Daddy had some moments. Happy Gilmore was amusing. But I rewatched Billy Madison a few years ago... 10 year old me was a lot less mature.

But even thinking back to it, I saw it as a double feature with Forrest Gump. Liked Gump better then, too.

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Rovdjur1 t1_j06dtos wrote

Amazing in Uncut Gems, really funny!

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VyrPlan t1_j059dk3 wrote

yeah, that feels pretty oniony

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scootunit t1_j059mrx wrote

It used to mean something.

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SoupForEveryone t1_j06baym wrote

Well this is the best joke Adam Sandler ever produced

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gigglemaniac t1_j05bd5i wrote

I wonder whether he said "Well, thank you" in his Water Boy voice.

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hillpeoplemilk t1_j05enoi wrote

“And I like Vicki and she likes me back. And she showed me her boobies and I like them too." is the most hilarious line in the history of American Cinema, haters.

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TheLatchkey_kid t1_j05mv2o wrote

Oh, he was trying to be funny all this time? I didn't put that together.

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ShoddyJuggernaut975 t1_j05are8 wrote

I'll give him some respect for his acting, but not his comedy. I've never found him funny.

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Weldeli t1_j05d7wb wrote

I guess humor isn’t a prerequisite.

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GetlostMaps t1_j05gqgi wrote

Giving him this award is the funniest joke he's ever been associated with.

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iTurnip2 t1_j05twm5 wrote

Prize for American Humor - is it called the world championship?

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Elelith t1_j05vj8u wrote

This maybe explains why I'm not that into American comedies...

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schnager t1_j063xrk wrote

does using the exact same family guy formula for everything you do count as "comedy" now? 🤔

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SponConSerdTent t1_j0786ad wrote

Sandler's work is nothing like family guy! I'm not a huge fan by any account- but that's a low blow. Family guy is practically all references and flashbacks.

Sandler's movies are at least coherent.

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pewopp t1_j05irzw wrote

I cannot read the title with out hearing Mark Twain in Billy Madison voice

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rorzri t1_j065ktp wrote

He’s not winning the mark Twain prize for American moustaches anytime soon

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tonyisadork t1_j066blp wrote

The man who wrote and starred in Jack and Jill?

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shaddowkhan t1_j06yi7l wrote

When is Katt Williams going to get it?

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megalomike t1_j074ru1 wrote

the weezer of comedy.

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greatbigdogparty t1_j07r6jf wrote

I guess the rumors of his death are no longer exaggerated.

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Revolutionary_Ad1451 t1_j07tisx wrote

Good thing mark twain is dead. Adam sandler is the trever Noah of comedy.

Edit: this was offensive, Samuel Clemens

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pingasthrowaway t1_j08irm7 wrote

Must be a prize they only award shitty comedians.

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bone-in_donuts t1_j08kmtt wrote

He should win it for his portrayal of Howard Ratner alone.

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andre6682 t1_j08mtv2 wrote

adam sandler is the best connected man in the business, a mediocre actor getting accolades after accolades and the talent of michael bay to make deep and emotional movies (besides great explosions, euphoria and chillaxing movies to watch and drink beer)

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morahman7vn t1_j0evoyq wrote

Hey! He used to be real!

Real funny.

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Fishtank-Brain t1_j05jsj8 wrote

he’s not been relevant to comedy since the 90s. good dramatic actor

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Walrus-Ready t1_j07jcql wrote

Are Adam Sandler movies comedy? I'll ask my 10-year-old nephew I guess

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Rezzone t1_j08bpw5 wrote

This is a great condemnation of American comedy.

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