RGB3x3 t1_iwlcy6m wrote
Here's a wild suggestion: maybe give them actual homes so that they can figure out the other problems in their lives.
Cities that have implemented a proper Housing First policy have seen dramatic decreases in their homeless populations and greater success in keeping them with homes.
Take Helsinki for example: https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2019/jun/03/its-a-miracle-helsinkis-radical-solution-to-homelessness
Instead of costing more and more money every year, giving a person a home becomes cheaper long-term because they can deal with their addictions, education, training, and health, then become productive members of the workforce.
Expecting a person to become drug-free while they're sleeping under bridges is futile.
TTBrandyThief t1_iwlglx4 wrote
I just wrote an entire essay as a comment before reading this… But another city that succeeded is Houston who was part of this program. But many other cities put a huge amount of red tape up.
neonoggie t1_iwlifdp wrote
Honestly tiny houses are pretty damn cheap, you could probably mass produce them for 30k a pop if you used inexpensive materials and equipped them with the bare minimum needed to qualify as a house. Buy up some empty land and set up a bus route to and from those areas. But I’m sure the issue is NIMBYs dont want homeless people in homes near them (lol)
thegreatgazoo t1_iwlvnpf wrote
The Veterans Community Project currently does this.
San Francisco on the other hand has spent $60,000/year/tent "supporting" the homeless and nothing has improved. After sitting on a $1 billion bond issued to build housing for the homeless for 10 years, Los Angeles has started building them at $300k to $600k/unit.
It shouldn't be rocket science to build cheap and safe housing.
BatteryAcid67 t1_iwm0qz7 wrote
Open it up to non veterans!
thegreatgazoo t1_ixquc0w wrote
I believe they customize the programs to deal with veteran specific issues such as PTSD and combat injuries.
But yes, it should be universal.
neonoggie t1_iwm3cda wrote
I mean 300k in LA probably just pays for the land to be fair. Need to build outside of LA and set up a bus to and from the city or something.
kabekew t1_iwner11 wrote
"A" bus? L.A. county alone has 69,000 homeless.
neonoggie t1_iwnhmfc wrote
To be fair i said “a bus route” in my original statement, plus it would be ridiculous to try and house that many people in a single subdivision. Obviously there would be more than one
thegreatgazoo t1_iwpqklg wrote
I doubt that an extended stay hotel costs $300k/unit.
The benefit of tiny houses is that if one gets trashed, they are a lot easier to swap out with a new one, especially if they are mass produced. Though I'd think that they could be put into a frame with multiple floors and walkways on one side and forklift access in the back to allow them to be easily swapped out with quick connect power, sewer, and water lines.
neonoggie t1_iwpspfm wrote
Thats a really good point and solves a major problem for these kinds of units
SelectiveSanity t1_iwlvzjx wrote
Already happening in Los Angeles, but you're right about the NIMBYs. Though a thought does occur to me with regards to this, why not use abandoned malls. Most of the infrastructure is already there and they could probable fit a couple of housing units where a single store used to be if you go for that minimalistic style seen in high end Japanese Capsule hotels. Increase that exponentially if it has what used to be a Sears stores attached to it.
It's been done before, granted that was more for profit rather the to help the homeless.
dravik t1_iwnzah7 wrote
You have a high risk of it turning out like Cabrini Green.
infinity_limit t1_iwmdnnj wrote
Nops, LA city hates that idea!! Demolished the 5K mini house build by musician .
Abrahamlinkenssphere t1_iwlt3p2 wrote
You give someone $100 they can eat, get clothes, get a bud ticket, whatever. You give them a home and suddenly they have some worth again, something to live for, to fight for. It seems like basic psychology to me.
Artanthos t1_iwnmf5i wrote
Here’s a wild suggestion.
The chronically homeless have much larger issues than simply being homeless.
Until those underlying issues are treated, simply supplying housing does nothing but create new problems. Assuming they are even willing to stay in the provided housing without destroying it.
The chronically homeless overwhelmingly have severe mental health issues, chronic drug addiction, or both.
RGB3x3 t1_iwnnpoq wrote
You're missing the whole purpose of giving them homes in the first place. There's no chance that those chronic issues can be treated until they have a place to live, to cook, to shower, to wash their clothes. The Housing First programs give them that, then provide social services like addiction help, healthcare, and work programs.
We've had the system you're talking about for decades and it isn't working. Homelessness is worse than ever.
Artanthos t1_iwnpgnh wrote
Putting the severely mentally ill / chronically drug addicted in a house unsupervised creates more problems than it solves.
What they need is 24/7 supervised medical care.
- This costs significantly more than simple housing.
- It would likely be involuntary for a significant percentage of the chronically homeless.
RGB3x3 t1_iwnvzpx wrote
Did you miss the part where I said they'd be given social services and healthcare? They'd also be frequently checked in on and forced into certain programs in order to maintain their living spaces.
Mentally ill people need mental care, severe drug addicts need medical intervention to get clean. But doing any of that, then sending them back on the streets only serves to put them back into homelessness in the first place.
Maybe let's stop letting people be chronically homeless by giving them homes. How could we expect anyone to get clean if they don't even have a place to shower or cook their own food?
Artanthos t1_iwoi4jl wrote
The people without those issues don’t tend to be chronically homeless.
People without mental health issues or severe drug issues already tend to have access to programs that help them find employment and housing.
You are conflating people with short-term housing issues with the chronically homeless.
They tend to be two separate groups with very different needs.
themadxcow t1_iwo4cnc wrote
Yeah, at least that way the homeless will die of a drug overdose out of public view. Out of sight, out of mind.
Hint, this is not a housing problem.
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