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KingRobotPrince t1_j9sgae8 wrote

Reply to comment by Bubbagumpredditor in Pueblo deputy awarded Purple Heart for injuries suffered during shooting of Richard Ward by Drablit

>Looks reasonably accurate to me.

Perhaps you have some sort of mental impairment, or English is a second language to you, but when you say someone is "non-violent", but there is a video showing him being violent, people are going to start questioning your claims.

>At what point did he warrant two rounds to the chest?

I suppose at some point during the fight the police officer felt his life was in danger. Apparently he went for his gun.

It sounds like the man was somewhat disturbed, based on his reported behaviour prior to police arriving. He certainly failed to do what was asked of him and fought with the police when they tried to remove him from the car.

You can't change what actually happened simply by saying things you would like to be true.

It's unfortunate, but these things happen.

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Drablit OP t1_j9sj8vt wrote

Cop sees man swallow a pill

Somehow, his fetid cop brain interprets this as a threat

Cop grabs man from car, throws man to ground, jumps on top of man, screams at man

Man wiggles legs and flails in fear

Heroic cop helps man cool down by blasting extra ventilation holes in man’s chest

Rude ass man doesn’t even say THANK YOU HERO COP

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KingRobotPrince t1_j9sk40w wrote

I'm not sure how you think making a story about what didn't happen will help your case.

We can all see the video and you are wrong about what you claim happened.

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zendingo t1_j9vax0j wrote

I'm not sure how you think making a story about what didn't happen will help your case.

We can all see the video and you are wrong about what you claim happened.

What video did you see?

I saw a video of a man with obvious mental health issues was pulled from a car and shot by police while trying to take his meds.

Please describe what you saw in the video.

I’m wondering if you watched a different video or if you are a troll

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killerbee2319 t1_j9sl2lz wrote

You are either a cop or want to be... that is the dumbest take on this I've ever seen.

You mean like he was violently sitting in his car talking to the officer, who repeatedly made contact, and already had his hand on his gun, and the grabbed him for taking a pill, and threw him on the ground, and then proceeded to get violent with someone who was not at all acting violently, who unsurprisingly reacted when he was flung from his car onto the ground.

Then he shot him because hims was toos a'scairt of going two on one with a man after he initiated the violence.

He shouldn't be getting a medal when he started the fight. He should be rotting in jail, awaiting his trial on first degree murder charges.

Cops need to be taught how to deescelate situations, not immediately go to full Rambo mode. Cops need to stop being mollycoddled when they shoot unarmed citizens. Cops need to stop acting like the whole world is out to get them. It sets them into kill or be killed mode in every encounter, no matter the situation.

But I guess I shouldn't worry. Three of his buddies investigated it real good, and they agreed that their friend and coworker did absolutely nothing wrong.

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KingRobotPrince t1_j9smk3b wrote

Your take is the dumb one.

Clearly the guy violently resisted. Saying "he was violently thrown to the ground" and other blah blah means nothing, when the video shows he was resisting and fighting the cop from the minute he tried to get him out of the car.

It's pretty simple. A police officer is allowed to grab someone. A citizen is not allowed to then fight with the cop in response to being grabbed.

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killerbee2319 t1_j9snsdt wrote

Actually, cops are not allowed to assault citizens without cause, and the cause can't be because they wanted to. Now the courts may not choose to enforce these violations of civil rights, or the crimes that officers get away with, but that doesn't change the fact that they are breaking the law.

And in case you are wondering, that is how humans respond to being suddenly and violently attacked. Your body goes into fight, flight, or freeze. Most folks will respond physically when anyone suddenly grabs you. It's called a survival instinct, and cops shouldn't get to use that basic human response to get away with murder.

I'm very sorry that you understand so little about the real world. You have a fine evening in your little fairytale land.

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KingRobotPrince t1_j9ssiih wrote

>Actually, cops are not allowed to assault citizens without cause, and the cause can't be because they wanted to. Now the courts may not choose to enforce these violations of civil rights, or the crimes that officers get away with, but that doesn't change the fact that they are breaking the law.

The guy was acting suspiciously and the police officer wanted him to get out of the car. Police have the power to do this. Citizens have no right to resist or fight. > >And in case you are wondering, that is how humans respond to being suddenly and violently attacked. Your body goes into fight, flight, or freeze. Most folks will respond physically when anyone suddenly grabs you. It's called a survival instinct, and cops shouldn't get to use that basic human response to get away with murder.

Flight or flight is not a legal defence for resisting a police officer and fighting with him. This is a ridiculous idea. > >I'm very sorry that you understand so little about the real world. You have a fine evening in your little fairytale land.

You are the one living in a fantasy world. One where people don't have to do what the police say and can fight with them if they choose.

I would say the same to you, but I don't think anyone could really have a fine evening living in such a messed up place, even if it is imaginary.

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Asclepius333 t1_j9te96r wrote

Lmao give him one of your Jordan Peterson books. You just told him to clean up his fairytale room

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Giantmidget1914 t1_j9ttccv wrote

You couldn't be more incorrect. Cops don't get to just tell you what to do if you haven't broken a law. Hence "Law Enforcement". Police have exactly zero authority to touch you if you've not broken a law.

He didn't have to speak at all. That's his right. If he wasn't pulled over for a traffic violation, they can't even demand ID without a reason.

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BuckinFutts t1_j9tjlsn wrote

People with intellectual or emotional disabilities often can't follow directions (at least immediately) under stress, and don't deserve to be murdered by police. It's not hard to understand

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inevitabilityalarm t1_j9t13fc wrote

One day you might witness someone you care about being murdered by a cop in the most agonisingly, frustrating, needless way. Let's see your take on whether it's necessary then.

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PaxNova t1_j9u6rh4 wrote

> Clearly the guy violently resisted.

Not to the point of requiring a lethal solution. Reaching into your jacket is a no-no when interacting with police, and the grab out of the car was likely fine. Once on the ground though, it doesn't matter how much they're kicking, the gun is only called for if they're going for a weapon.

I'm unclear as to protocol on taser vs gun when an unknown weapon may be in play.

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TheTruestOracle t1_j9siwj9 wrote

I just hope one day you have an interaction with a cop, a slight misunderstanding happens and you get to see first hand the bullshit you spew is in fact bullshit.

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KingRobotPrince t1_j9sjisx wrote

Sorry to disappointed you, but I don't plan on fighting with a cop any time soon.

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TheTruestOracle t1_j9sjp2t wrote

I’m not your dad, you won’t disappoint me. But I’ll share a tid bit of info. Most people who are abused by the police didn’t ask to be any of the following stopped, assaulted, raped, arrested, oh and murdered.

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KingRobotPrince t1_j9smbec wrote

Your argument is weak so you are forced to make petty insults.

Watch the video. It shows what happened.

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Dopey-NipNips t1_j9t12o8 wrote

Your first reply to this conversation

>Perhaps you have some sort of mental impairment, or English is a second language to you,

Also you

>Your argument is weak so you are forced to make petty insults.

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Thibaut_HoreI t1_j9t3fah wrote

You:

> Perhaps you have some sort of mental impairment, or English is a second language to you

Also you:

> Sorry to disappointed you

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OfLittleToNoValue t1_j9t8o9n wrote

No shit you'd be too busy sucking their dick for shooting your dog and beating their wife.

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Kcidobor t1_j9tic1y wrote

Neither did the many innocent people who have been murdered by them. Many were just answering their own door, sitting in their own vehicle, minding their own business when a cop suddenly feared for their life (because they are so scared shitless everything poses a mortal threat to them) and that was the end of their life. No explanation, no reasonable judgement, no jury of peers. Just an executioner who gets a paid vacation after you die

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zendingo t1_j9vb3np wrote

Exactly! When a cops says suck my dick, you will eagerly suck cop dick…

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seriouslittleme t1_j9v7zes wrote

Good engwish bwo. Try getting lessons from the lovely immigrant english teachers lil prick :)

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_smooth_talker_ t1_j9sj4md wrote

That was a cop that turned a non-violent situation into a one where he murdered a man… because he thought he put something in his mouth.

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KingRobotPrince t1_j9sjhgh wrote

The guy could have obeyed orders, he could have not resisted, he could have not fought with the officer.

He chose to do that and it was that which made the situation violent.

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_smooth_talker_ t1_j9sm73q wrote

This was an extrajudicial murder because an officer that was ready to pull his gun right after he asked the guy to get his ID out suspected him of putting something in his mouth… not a single crime committed… sentenced to death by a murderer.

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BlooperHero t1_j9sodlc wrote

"Obey orders or I'll kill you," is a robbery.

And if one person commits a murder during a robbery, they're not only still considered guilty of murder but so are their accomplices who created the situation.

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I know you openly want a police state, but you're in favor of crime so it's not even a proper police state.

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jpopimpin777 t1_j9snxt5 wrote

He didn't insult you and your points are nonsense. Throwing a guy out of a car because he may have taken a pill is dumb. American police resort to excessive force as soon as they feel their authority is threatened not their safety.

Stop being a bootlick.

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SylvieJay t1_j9tc2li wrote

It will be "unfortunate" when you get two to the head, for a "misunderstanding", and the cop getting the medal of freedom?

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TenPenceProstitute t1_j9uwr12 wrote

Jesus christ, in what world is putting ANYTHING in your own mouth grounds for getting pulled out of the car and thrown on the ground. Also i think its terrifying that people like you think its ok for "trained" police officers to freak out and do whatever they want while us regular people are the ones that need to stay calm the whole time while cops pile on top of you for, again, literally no reason, or else you'll be shot.

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