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iskyoork t1_j3wua6a wrote
Climate Change isn't real. Sticks fingers in my ears, close my eyes, and lock myself in a climate-controlled building.
ThomasEspresso t1_j3wuqrh wrote
Maybe instead of building high speed rail, build an aqueduct.
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Bthejerk t1_j3wxbha wrote
They should save every drop and stop killing the Colorado river.
Moose_Nuts t1_j3wxm0v wrote
Yeah, I'm salty. We were promised so much rain in SoCal but probably got less than a quarter of an inch.
Time to buckle up and head toward another hot, dry summer.
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ObjectiveDark40 t1_j3wyuic wrote
Don't forget mudslides... especially in areas that were previously impacted by wild fires.
katman43043 t1_j3x002y wrote
100% a bunch of sermons are going on about how this is God’s wrath or some other malarkey
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impulsekash t1_j3x1ry5 wrote
The problem is the drought and wildfires killed the vegetation that stabilized the soil. Now the water runoffs the soil or worse makes it unstable causing landslides.
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deadman449 t1_j3x56kx wrote
I was reading articles during summer about 100inches of rain coming to California. I thought it was a feverish dream, but the scientists were right. This is suppose to be one of those every 100 year events that seems to happen every year now days.
DeadwoodNative t1_j3x5plz wrote
This may be a stupid question, but are there expanded/enhanced statewide efforts in California to collect and divert flood waters to reservoirs? I know you can’t easily control flood waters but with all the resources and technology and brain power of that state, I’ve never heard of any brilliant collection diversion efforts. For instance I read a few months ago they plan on covering canals to lessen solar evaporation, covering them with solar panels to also generate energy. Sounds like a genius win/win. Any genius collection efforts?
WholeintheAll t1_j3x7lwk wrote
It's ok they will be stealing it from norcal soon enough, those pools are so important and all.
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found_allover_again t1_j3xb3qh wrote
>one of those every 100 year events that seems to happen every year now days.
Is it still a 100-year event? Should start getting classified as yearly event now.
InsuranceToTheRescue t1_j3xbawb wrote
I think the issue is, how often does California get torrential rains like this (personally, I don't know)? Diverting them to reservoirs is possible, but that's a lot of expensive infrastructure to build and maintain for something that maybe only happens once every 50 years.
pattydickens t1_j3xbxur wrote
"With all the resources and technology and brain power" they should have been building desalination plants for the last 20 years.
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Visionbuilder t1_j3xcomg wrote
Don’t forget the hundred golf courses in Palm Springs…
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LostMyKarmaElSegundo t1_j3xhoi0 wrote
Why didn't they rake the forests then?!?!
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noodlyarms t1_j3xi670 wrote
It was snowing in Buffalo! Global warming must be a liberal hoax!
iskyoork t1_j3xie91 wrote
I mean they did say Global Warming, and shit it is colder than ever here in Florida so that must be false!
TheBrokenSwagger t1_j3xigyb wrote
Different story in Nor Cal. We're getting entire towns flooded, trees coming down, and lightning/thunder. Last week I drove from LA to Sacramento and right as I get into Fresno, a bunch of Caltrans signs warn of floods and to take it slow while cars going 100 MPH were blowing right past me.
GreppMichaels t1_j3xiu2f wrote
Where exactly do you live in SoCal? The streets have literally been flooding here in Hollywood up until yesterday afternoon...
GreppMichaels t1_j3xj0bk wrote
The people stealing water from norcal are the almond farmers...
noodlyarms t1_j3xj7zt wrote
Then they'll see news of record breaking heatwaves killing hundreds in Europe and go, "Hurdur, they deserve it for being Marxist environmentalists."
iskyoork t1_j3xjlgj wrote
Yup, They are callous and cold. Zero Compassion for others and reveling in others' misery. I just can't with these people anymore.
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GoArray t1_j3xmjcp wrote
Love that this isn't even a controversial comment, despite this storm literally breaking 100+ year old records
BpositiveItWorks t1_j3xmk1g wrote
I know the flooding and infrastructure issues it’s causing are catastrophic and I am so sad so many have passed away, but as a resident of NorCal, I see both the negative and the positive.
The positive being we needed the moisture. To reiterate, I would rather so many in the bay were not dealing with damage to their homes and like i mentioned before the deaths and as of last night a missing 5 year old that got swept away. Just want to be clear I value life over getting rain.
Also, I’m getting hammered with snow and could use a break … it is up to my torso in my yard.
rettaelin t1_j3xojrg wrote
I read this as north Carolina. Stupid brain.
vesperholly t1_j3xop8x wrote
Yeah snowed like a bitch for 3 days and it’s been in the 40s since. Feet of snow entirely melted.
Maliluma t1_j3xp3we wrote
I live in the central San Joaquin valley and I read similar articles. Basically the articles were saying that where I currently live temporarily turned into a lake during the Gold Rush. Yes, I think about it and am a little concerned.
WholeintheAll t1_j3xp5xu wrote
With oat milk takes far less, land, water, and resources to produce. Almonds were always just a get-rich-quick scheme.
Jak33 t1_j3xpc0z wrote
yea and it goes right into the ocean
DeadwoodNative t1_j3xpoxo wrote
Totally agree 100% They def dropped the ball there. Guessing some of it was ‘NIMBY’. Know the costs were gonna be ridiculous. That is def one area CA needs to pull there head out and deregulate a bit. Maher had a horror story of like 4 yrs to get his solar plans approved and built. There was a big story of proposals to build temp transitional housing to ease homeless fiasco, and it was like the price of a luxury apt per unit. Come fucking on! I’ve also heard disposal of salt byproduct would be a nightmare. Almost seems harnessing their reappearing ‘atmospheric river’ would be just as ‘easy’
DepletedMitochondria t1_j3xpqm1 wrote
All the rain isn't reclaimable because it's pavement everywhere
DeadwoodNative t1_j3xqfzl wrote
would def be interesting to study feasibility based on recent and changing patterns, but it seems every year or 2 there’s serious flooding somewhere in the state.
and if the reports are true about exorbitant water allocated to almond growing… a gallon per nut or whatever; I like almonds but that’s ridiculous
Rage_Like_Nic_Cage t1_j3xrqld wrote
it’s up to the Government bodies (like NOAA and FEMA) to update their rainfall data/models, which is done via statistical analysis.
That being said, some states aren’t waiting around and are starting to require standards/regulations to meet their own updated/“future storm event” models. For example, in New Jersey stormwater design has to be updated, so any proposed roadway projects that were previously required to contain/handle something like the 25 year storm event now are required to meet the “Future 25-year storm event”.
kazyllis t1_j3xszkj wrote
We built a desal plant in San Diego. It cost a ton of money and only gives us 10% of our daily water usage, while being criticized by environmental groups because it impacts the ocean life. Still glad we have it but it would take a lost of these plants to support SD, and 4 times that amount to support LA.
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TheCryptocrat t1_j3xt7st wrote
Uhhh Southern California hasn't been drying out: https://wrcc.dri.edu/cgi-bin/anomimage.pl?calJanPpct.png
Looks like only parts of the desert are below average for the year.
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fishchipslopez t1_j3xudn2 wrote
Where in SoCal? I’m in the IE and it’s been raining for like 2 weeks now
GreppMichaels t1_j3xurby wrote
Clearly nowhere in socal because theyre dead silent 😂😂😂
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GaelinVenfiel t1_j3xx45f wrote
I live in Stockton. I am looking for the downside...
RedlyrsRevenge t1_j3xz0h9 wrote
Almonds aren't making anybody rich right now. Prices are way down and so is the water allocations.
A lot of orchards are getting ripped out right now for row crops and alfalfa.
Moose_Nuts t1_j3xz7jo wrote
Long Beach. Lots of clouds and drizzle, but it seems like the storms part to go north or south of us.
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Friedumb t1_j3xzzlh wrote
Its in the works as of right now.
I believe the plan is to use wind/solar to pump water to the new reservoir and then utilize hydro to capture energy from the release.
Another decent project can be found here: https://apnews.com/article/floods-climate-science-business-wildlife-502590d610a78cb027baf260e79b8555
By recreating the old floodplains we can increase recharge while reducing flood risk. The issue with this project is that farmers are reluctant to give up land adjacent to rivers due to water rights.
There is hope, it just requires everyone coming together for a single goal. Ok maybe there isnt much hope...
Clouds2589 t1_j3y0i9z wrote
Funny, here I am sitting in southern California, after just weathering a huge rainstorm yesterday. Guess in reality I'm actually bone dry, who knew?
PhoenixReborn t1_j3y3hwz wrote
There was a segment on our local NPR station the other day about this.
One of the things they mentioned was having to strike a balance between pumping water from the Sacramento–San Joaquin River Delta for human use, and maintaining enough water flow to the bay to prevent backfill with salt water. One of the guests wrote an op-ed arguing for intelligent land use to allow water to refill the water table.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/07/opinion/california-flood-atmospheric-river-drought.html
Mad_V t1_j3y3rbo wrote
Yes, construction is underway on the Sites Resivoir in the Sacramento Valley.
Fender088 t1_j3y4tr7 wrote
Reminds me of the Always Sunny quote: "I'm playing both sides so that I always come out on top."
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macross1984 t1_j3y89ay wrote
This morning I read my local paper and it predicted 600% rainfall compared to the past.
GreppMichaels t1_j3y8i4g wrote
Do you have half inch curbs then? I thought you guys got less than a quarter of an inch of rain...
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Vlad_the_Homeowner t1_j3ya507 wrote
The rain just stopped yesterday evening after about a week nonstop. We get two days and it picks up again through next Tuesday.
That said, it's nowhere near as bad where I am compared to some of the photos I've seen up north.
sloughfoot t1_j3ybtae wrote
Have you gone outside at all? It’s been raining non stop in LA. My local friends have been saying “it’s never like this”.
found_allover_again t1_j3yd7e2 wrote
That makes sense. At the very least, they should update their flood maps so new construction can't be done in these new flood prone areas.
WholeintheAll t1_j3yd943 wrote
Good. Seriously stop stealing water.
WildYams t1_j3ye6a8 wrote
On the plus side, if we start getting rain like this more often, it'll lead to fewer wildfires.
WildYams t1_j3yf42u wrote
The headline was just poorly phrased, what the article meant is that more rain is hitting northern California while SoCal will get a break from the rain for a couple days (though it's supposed to rain here again over the weekend).
ObjectiveDark40 t1_j3yf7qn wrote
Except the large amount of growth that will occur in spring and then die off in summer and lay down on top of the rest of the unburnt fuel. 7 years of draught and 1 year of floods is not going to solve anything.
AfraidStill2348 t1_j3yfxov wrote
Lots of almond wood for sale right now
LargeWeinerDog t1_j3yg6sx wrote
Just tilt California up a little bit. Let it drain down south. Problem solved
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anotherorphan t1_j3yhwel wrote
as rivers do
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Johns-schlong t1_j3yjbgb wrote
Depopulate the rural areas, reintroduce the beavers, destroy the levies and turn most of it back into flood plains. We don't own the land, and we can't keep disrupting it. Our kids only get what we leave them. More human intervention isn't the answer.
Bait_and_Swatch t1_j3yn44s wrote
Not to be the fly in the ointment, but wouldn’t it have to happen again in a year or two for that to be true, since it just broke the 100 year old records?
silky_johnson123 t1_j3yn5et wrote
golf courses make up like 9% of total water usage and every course down here is using reclaimed water. they're not the problem.
GoArray t1_j3yo03t wrote
Right, that's the point of my comment, this is actually a 100 year storm. Not, as the OC put it and a bunch agreed, happening every year or two.
Of all the events to use as ammo or make fun or w.e., this ain't one of them. (Though still likely a result of cc)
Bait_and_Swatch t1_j3yofmc wrote
Ah, gotcha. I misunderstood your post and agree with you.
WildYams t1_j3yqlvi wrote
That's why I said "if we start getting rain like this more often".
primal7104 t1_j3yr07k wrote
Probably because no one wants to work.
Fleaslayer t1_j3ytonv wrote
If you read the article, it was just saying that it's still raining up north, but we get a few days off in the south.
lasvegasnv11 t1_j3yvwmk wrote
We had a solid amount of rain a couple years ago (Jan-Feb 2019). Broke records in areas around SoCal.
lasvegasnv11 t1_j3yx52i wrote
I live in the South Bay, a little north of you and we definitely got rain and high winds. I'm guessing you havent went outside or opened your blinds in a while. And I looked it up, Long Beach received a little over 3" of rain since January started. Thats a lot for 10 days in Long Beach.
brandonmowat t1_j3yxopp wrote
it’s almost like the climate is changing
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OneWholeSoul t1_j3yyfvx wrote
Slide some folded newspaper under the Oregon border. Prop the head of the state up.
Taman_Should t1_j3z1srs wrote
Imagine having a persecution fetish so strong, it forced you to basically argue that Biden is more powerful than God.
Jakedxn3 t1_j3z3wk1 wrote
Love all you guys in the comments who only read the headline
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lunayoshi t1_j3z50b2 wrote
Yeah, it was sunny all day today here. I'm surprised the north is still getting pounded.
lunayoshi t1_j3z557t wrote
Maybe we can refill the Salton Sea that way. It's supposed to dry up in, like, 30 years or something.
Jklipsch t1_j3z5txg wrote
I love the rain NorCal is getting and wish it would continue (though not at this condensed pace) to actually make a huge difference for the drought.
Cali is soft. Complain about drought. Complain about a couple of storms. And what is up with CA drivers forgetting how to drive with a bit of rain.
Alucard661 t1_j3z7211 wrote
People don’t understand the water cycle
Knull_Gorr t1_j3z7nyx wrote
It's very easy to be more important than a thing that doesn't exist.
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NettingStick t1_j3z8hbh wrote
I didn't read it that way, but I see where you're coming from. I read it as saying that this storm is one of a class of events that are (in general) becoming more common.
Generation_ABXY t1_j3zbbwk wrote
Well, well, well... how the (water)tables have turned.
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rsjaffe t1_j3zcjpf wrote
Central San Joaquin Valley used to be a lake before it was drained by the Spanish.
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garibond1 t1_j3zk3ak wrote
Alfalfa specifically is not much better
ObjectiveDark40 t1_j3zkht5 wrote
>rain like this
Meaning flooding every 7 years...but I guess the "more often" negates the 7 years part so what you want is just torrential flooding more often?
WholeintheAll t1_j3zktev wrote
I won't commit on what I don't know about and alfafa is one of those things but I am sick of the vegans screaming almond milk that is bad for the planet, environment and our water resources. If you want to go that way it has to be oat milk for the resource trade to even out.
The_Meek t1_j3zldn5 wrote
Another notable issue is that the first duty of these reservoirs is flood control (and even if you deprioritize flood control, you need to maintain the integrity of the dam itself). That means that collecting rainwater mid season isn’t actually all that helpful—most of the dams will be doing large releases to bring their levels down over the next few days and weeks. You can’t absorb the large surge from a flooding event without unused reservoir capacity. Bad things happen when reservoirs are full with more rain on the way, eg Oroville 2017. Once the forecast dries up and snow starts to melt, the reservoirs will shift to maximizing stored volume for the dry season (vs maintaining flood control capacity for the rainy season).
Blitzdrive t1_j3zlr79 wrote
The LA river is hardly a part of a natural water cycle
Alucard661 t1_j3zni7o wrote
Tbf true.
Someinterestingbs-td t1_j3zqau0 wrote
Dammit I knew the tramp stamp would cause trouble but never this god what have I done lol
Someinterestingbs-td t1_j3zqgqu wrote
Ha silly Florida is not real
Taman_Should t1_j3zqigo wrote
That's not really the point though, the point is that their beliefs have no consistency. One minute they'll say God sent natural disasters, the next minute, the democrats are responsible for equally bad natural disasters.
Remember when we were young and naive enough that we thought we could argue about things based on their own supposed internal logical frameworks? Doesn't that seem quaint now?
Someinterestingbs-td t1_j3zqpf3 wrote
Yes like Florida Also my hat told me to do some stuff what do you think?
veringer t1_j3zr5xa wrote
I do a lot of woodworking (east coast) and have never seen almond lumber on the market. I assume it's similar to cherry, plum, apple, or pear? Curious to see what people are doing with it.
Someinterestingbs-td t1_j3zr8oo wrote
And how will you feel about this after the earthquake hmmm
Someinterestingbs-td t1_j3zrgki wrote
Can confirm bare ground in VT for weeks
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Hopeful_Hamster21 t1_j3zt5vd wrote
Between this and the recent east coast storms... This is basically "the day after tomorrow". That movie was sensationalized, but it was based on a book called "the global superstore", whose premise was that climate change would trigger a series of giant ass storms world wide. Granted, the book was pseudo-science at best, but it is what we're seeing.
AfraidStill2348 t1_j3zx767 wrote
It's very hard so maybe cutting boards or decorations.
Primarily people use it for smoking/grilling or burning for heat.
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SatanicNotMessianic t1_j3zzk2s wrote
Are they weighting the more recent data more strongly to account for the distributions to change in a given direction over time?
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ewouldblock t1_j405nua wrote
What % is residential water use
Clouds2589 t1_j408dlm wrote
S'ajoke referencing the title. I wasn't serious
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Methuga t1_j40gxyz wrote
Long Beach reported 6” of rainfall the last two days alone…
qtx t1_j40jije wrote
> The positive being we needed the moisture
But the thng is, the soils is so dry it's like cement. The water isn't penetrating, it just flows over it.
So it's not helping one iota.
hiimsubclavian t1_j40numr wrote
Good idea, let's save some of that water. We might need it one day.
BpositiveItWorks t1_j40ubs2 wrote
Im sorry to head that, that’s a huge bummer. The snow is helpful in my area.
revertothemiddle t1_j413y40 wrote
Holy shit, really? That was a lot of snow.
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SerialMurderer t1_j41e4gm wrote
Florida died in 2020.
briansabeans t1_j41ga4m wrote
But that's not happening nor is there any sign of that. We are just getting hit by storm after storm after storm for a few weeks. That's not a "plus side"; this is a recipe for mudslides and wildfires. Fixing our water shortage takes a lot more than 1 month and takes a lot more than 1 year.
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CitiusFalcon t1_j41l8sk wrote
Gonna need a pretty big jack to get it down there. The Central Valley is sinking by a lot every year thanks to Big Ag pumping out our ground water to feed nut trees.
https://news.stanford.edu/2022/06/02/will-californias-san-joaquin-valley-stop-sinking/
CitiusFalcon t1_j41lkoz wrote
The Dollop podcast has a great episode about the flood: https://allthingscomedy.com/podcasts/523---the-great-flood
RedlyrsRevenge t1_j41q8pl wrote
I actually listened to that one. Hilarious and educational.
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CPUforU t1_j41y5xl wrote
What's the sciency term for this process?
hellomondays t1_j423u5a wrote
I think it's the same segment, one of the guest talks about how snowpack is key to the water system for North Cal, so unfortunately all this rain isn't going to make much of a long-term difference
lastknownbuffalo t1_j424472 wrote
Concrete, asphalt, and drainage canals really effect the water cycle
boidcrowdah t1_j4265gu wrote
Don't forget the occasional earthquake
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WildYams t1_j42hnd9 wrote
> Fixing our water shortage takes a lot more than 1 month and takes a lot more than 1 year.
That's why I said "if we start getting rain like this more often".
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673moto t1_j46y936 wrote
Hey, if you pay me I’ll get started right away!
OutrageousMatter t1_j4izc1h wrote
God's wrath since 1862. That was the last time a similar event occurred.
yamirzmmdx t1_j3wttzs wrote
From drought to wildfires to floods.
Sigh.