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Swagaru t1_j10kg3i wrote

Reply to comment by HanaBothWays in Mother facing charges after allegedly cyberbullying her own daughter by Hour_Doughnut2155

They’re saying you’d avoid parents like that lady because the would be parents now have the option to not birth a child.

Idk how that’s difficult to understand.

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HanaBothWays t1_j10mgod wrote

How do you know she did not want to give birth to her daughter?

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Swagaru t1_j10n2sn wrote

Probably the fact that she’s now bullying her daughter online anonymously?

I guarantee most parents who initially want children aren’t going to do some twisted and sick shit like that.

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HanaBothWays t1_j10osfw wrote

How do you know? Are you a therapist who treats abused children? Do you study abusive parents? Do you know the factors that lead to child abuse or interpersonal abuse within families? Do you or anyone close to you have any personal experience with emotional abuse within the family? Are you familiar with the behavior patterns of narcissistic parents?

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Swagaru t1_j10p0rq wrote

What’s your point here? What are you even arguing lol?

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HanaBothWays t1_j10pfwu wrote

“Abortion rights would stop child abuse!” is a stupid reductive argument based on a false premise.

Also you don’t understand the dynamics of abuse, which I guess means you are a very fortunate person.

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ElegantLandscape t1_j10vr0m wrote

Abortion lowers crime rates due to less abused and traumatized people becoming criminals. So yeah kinda, what is even your goal with your replies?

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HanaBothWays t1_j10w2pb wrote

Crime rates went down because we took lead out of gasoline and stopped damaging developing brains.

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ElegantLandscape t1_j10wtom wrote

That is a theory but another great theory with a nice amount of statistical research and support is the 1.5 million abortions at the height of legalization. Here is a podcast talking to researchers and a transcript. https://freakonomics.com/podcast/abortion-and-crime-revisited/

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HanaBothWays t1_j10xgw8 wrote

That’s nice what does it have to do with child abuse

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ElegantLandscape t1_j10xrj4 wrote

So you didn't read the transcript about the research and who was choosing abortion and why?

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HanaBothWays t1_j10yfik wrote

Why someone chooses to have an abortion is not my business!

Also you still don’t know whether the lady in this article abused her daughter because she was an unwanted child. You have no basis for that. Plenty of people choose to have kids and then treat those kids horribly. People abusing their kids is not a soapbox for you or anyone else to make a pro-abortion argument. Neither is poverty or crime or any other societal ill - other than people being denied their right to have an abortion if they want/need one.

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ElegantLandscape t1_j10z7p1 wrote

Actually, all of those reasons are GREAT arguments to use for pro choice! Use all the arguments that imply making a child and adults life better. You don't get reproductive rights in a vacuum, you get them by convincing every single person in every way possible that they are good for the child, the individual, and society. Sorry you are so salty about this but we should use every tool in the toolbox. Also no one linked this mom to abortion directly, they even couched that in the original comment. Stay mad.

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HanaBothWays t1_j10zh7n wrote

> Actually, all of those reasons are GREAT arguments to use for pro choice! Use all the arguments that imply making a child and adults life better.

Actually it implies that you think forced abortions as part of a eugenics program might be a neat idea which is why it’s awful.

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ElegantLandscape t1_j111y9f wrote

No it doesn't lol, no where did we say force or imply it. Have an abortion for literally any reason you want as long as it's your choice.

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HanaBothWays t1_j112cs1 wrote

I mean when you see a story like this and your first thought is “timely and well-placed abortions prevent things like this!” yes actually that implies it pretty strongly.

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dancefan2019 t1_j10ta1q wrote

I'll step in here as a Licensed Social Worker who works with families that are abusive, and have studied in college the dynamics of abuse. Plenty of people who do want children and purposely conceived have gone on to abuse their children, often because they are repeating abusive patterns that were learned in their own childhood, or because of their own psychological issues, or because they feel entitled to do what they want with their children out of a sense of ownership or entitlement. There may be some who abuse because the child was not wanted in the first place, but abuse mainly occurs because that abusive pattern was learned in childhood.

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