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androshalforc1 t1_iw1e5k2 wrote

> A lawyer for Trump, David A. Warrington of the Dhillon Law Group, said in a statement: “Long held precedent and practice maintain that separation of powers prohibits Congress from compelling a President to testify before it."

Too bad he isn’t a president.

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SpCommander t1_iw1guzs wrote

Someone should politely explain to this lawyer that a lot of long held precedents and practices have gone out the window the last 6 years.

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colefly t1_iw2gq6s wrote

Someone should politely explain to this lawyer that ....

He's not getting paid

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Redd575 t1_iw3dzws wrote

At this point I think Giuliani held the infamous four seasons press conference because that landscaping company was sponsoring him.

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waitingforthetardis t1_iw5rn7d wrote

I always upvote a Four Seasons Landscaping reference. That was a joyous moment in troubled times.

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e22ddie46 t1_iw2ln88 wrote

And part of the reason we don't prosecute former presidents is they don't regularly, flagrantly obstruct justice and commit crimes. And brag about them at campaign rallies.

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Mental_Attitude_2952 t1_iw1o2gb wrote

That didnt happen. Bill clinton had to testify to the grand jury for special counsel Starr.

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JustAnotherHyrum t1_iw3e29c wrote

Special Counsel is appointed in part to prevent bias or the appearance of bias in the investigation, isn't it? This is an important distinction, as Congress itself definitely has a political agenda in nearly everything it says or does.

With that being said, Trump is a stain on our country and deserves to be behind bars, but I wanted to highlight the reason that testifying before a Special Counsel and testifying directly to Congress are very different for a current President. (Which Trump definitely is not.)

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IamSauerKraut t1_iw3erri wrote

The precedent cited by Warrington does not exist as he claims.

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Art-Zuron t1_iw3sb42 wrote

Yeah, but it's fine if it owns the libs. That's not sarcasm. That's how they think. If it counts as thinking at least.

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paulsmt t1_iw1ff2e wrote

He pretending he is. When he's in jail, it will really hit him hard.

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boomership t1_iw269be wrote

IIRC Saddam Hussein still thought he could order people when he was captured and put in a jail cell.

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piTehT_tsuJ t1_iw3fra6 wrote

Hes claiming he is still part of the executive branch of the government.. and shouldnt have to testify because of that.

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Shadpool t1_iw1p2cv wrote

Not as hard as Bubba’s gonna be hitting it.

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mabirm t1_iw1rude wrote

Theres nothing quite like the sweet sound of balls clapping in the early morn.

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Separate-Print4493 t1_iw1vqth wrote

When in jail?

Hilarious.

Will be running for president in 2024.

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tjn182 t1_iw2ctzs wrote

There's no way the GOP would allow that. One term president, impeached twice, lost house and senate both to the democrats, then this year's mid terms had almost all his picks losing.

Take away all the fluff about him and his stats are shit, the GOP wants a winning candidate and he's not it.

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shim_sham_shimmy t1_iw2dbnw wrote

He obviously still has a big following but I think the GOP will at least try to move on in 2024. You hear a lot of rumblings now which is why Trump will probably announce he is running any day now. Hopefully they dump him and it causes Trump to rip their party apart.

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jpiro t1_iw2qzcz wrote

I could absolutely see him forming the MAGA party or some shit and ripping the GOP a new one. Would be fun to watch.

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shim_sham_shimmy t1_iw3qq48 wrote

Trump running third party would guarantee a GOP loss. I'm not wishing for it but messing with power and money on a national scale like that is the kind of shit that gets people assassinated.

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JustAnotherHyrum t1_iw3fpzr wrote

Much as this would destroy the Republican party as we know it today, I like the idea of more political parties in America. It causes parties to require compromise to get things done, instead of one of two major parties always angling for complete control.

Assuming a GOP split into multiple parties, I would support the Democratic party splitting into Centrist and Progressive parties for the same reason.

We already have caucuses within each party. Let's just make them full parties and do away with this GOP vs Democrat nightmare we have now that produces nothing but gridlock.

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Junior_Builder_4340 t1_iw46d4d wrote

I wish we could have some form of parliamentary system of government, like the rest of the civilized world has. So sick of this two-party, shit see-saw.

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JustAnotherHyrum t1_iw3es31 wrote

The RNC already said they will stop covering his legal fees if he runs again in 2024.

That tells you all you need to know about their opinion of his political usefulness going forward.

The GOP will turn a blind eye to insurrection if someone's politically useful, but they turn on him fully the moment he costs them in the midterms.

Tells you all you need to know about the values and ethics of the GOP.

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colexian t1_iw2chlz wrote

As someone that despises the orange menace, this person is right. At this point I am convinced Trump could shoot someone on camera and gain voters with no consequences.

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AngryZen_Ingress t1_iw33zox wrote

Personally, my in-laws are both Trumpers AND DeSantis worshipers. Watching them break down in real time as their daddies fight is amusing.

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colexian t1_iw3pwze wrote

Its actually pretty entertaining because while they coined the phrase "Never Trumpers", I think a good number of people joined the cult of "Trump or bust" and its going to really screw them come 2024 when it divides the party. Cults rarely have a peaceful change of leadership.

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Ciccio178 t1_iw2lr5p wrote

Idk why the downvotes.

Trump is a useless sack of shit, but he knows how to do one thing better than anyone. That's stay out of jail. He's been flaunting laws for decades, yet he was elected President and will announce his candidacy to run in 2024 in a matter of days 🤷‍♂️

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JustAnotherHyrum t1_iw3ggut wrote

Yes, but he is dealing with an entirely different caliber of federal and state investigations now. I believe he knows that his only chance now is delaying court proceedings. Once evidence is allowed to be presented to a jury or a FISA court, he's fucked.

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paulsmt t1_iw38ejy wrote

First indicted candidate for president in history.

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Xenjael t1_iw1xogo wrote

Yeah well we also went 250 years without a piece of shit like trump. New precedents happen.

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moham225 t1_iw20z9j wrote

Andrew Jackson begs to differ.....

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Kiiaru t1_iw2823l wrote

Andrew Jackson the woat when it comes to US presidents. The firing of his whole cabinet and replacing them with his uneducated buddies. THE INDIAN REMOVAL ACT. And him giving all of the governments gold to local banks, who then immediately sold it and crashed the economy.

Trump is bad. But he didn't crash the economy by... Ok. I'm trying to come up with a comparison but he did sort of crash the economy by not listening to those smarter than him. In a roundabout way with covid and the covid relief funding. Andrew Jackson was a little more hands on with the crash.

Still... Genocide keeps Andrew Jackson at the top of the list

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NGC3992 t1_iw2azhd wrote

The child separation policy at the border meets the UN standards for genocide.

https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/genocide.shtml

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TeriFade t1_iw2j82q wrote

True but that's as far apart as non-consentual finger insertion is from pelvic bone breaking, back-alley forced vaginal sex. Both get labeled as rape but one is several magnitudes more damaging.

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LessThanLoquacious t1_iw2ndy1 wrote

Buddy, trying to justify sexual assault by saying there are worse sexual assaults is not a good look. Also, Trump rapes children.

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Beau_Buffett t1_iw256hz wrote

Remember when Andrew Jackson tried to cancel our democracy because he didn't like the election results?

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Art-Zuron t1_iw3s588 wrote

You also shouldn't forget Andrew Johnson, who crippled southern reconstruction, causing like 60% of our current problems.

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breakwater99 t1_iw228sd wrote

Long held precedence and practice also maintain that the penalty for treason is severe.

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IamSauerKraut t1_iw3emyj wrote

Too bad Warrington misstates what precedent (which is a legal opinion not a binding court decision) says. See Paragraph 2 of the Complaint.

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blankyblankblank1 t1_iw1eesv wrote

This is what happens when you grant extensions instead of just enforcing the law.

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JustAnotherHyrum t1_iw3h4lm wrote

No judge wants to be the reason Trump is granted a mistrial. It sucks that he's able to game the legal system, but a good judge is required to operate within the boundaries of the law and the law allows for frequent delays.

On the bright side, he's running out of lawyers good enough to craft reasonable excuses for repeated delays.

I'm so looking forward to this chapter in American history being done with.

Thanks, GOP.

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Indercarnive t1_iw3lyzx wrote

>On the bright side, he's running out of lawyers good enough to craft reasonable excuses for repeated delays

On the downer side, the number of judges willingly to grand repeated delays without needing reasonable excuses is pretty large, ala Aileen Cannon

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Fishtails t1_iw4sugr wrote

He'll die eventually, right?

.....right, guys?

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hornyjacks t1_iw5cern wrote

> No judge wants to be the reason Trump is granted a mistrial.

What trial?

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JustAnotherHyrum t1_iw8cej3 wrote

Trump suing to prevent himself from testifying is in itself the beginnings of a trial.

  1. Pleadings

  2. Discovery

  3. Trial

  4. Appeal

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BelAirGhetto t1_iw1h4c6 wrote

First he said he’d gladly testify!!!

LIED AGAIN!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lC0jReq1_sk

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Almainyny t1_iw1usqo wrote

How can you tell when Trump’s lying?

Look to see if his mouth is moving.

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BeerGardenGnome t1_iw2f0u2 wrote

Whenever his jowls are flopping.

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AldoTheeApache t1_iw38isn wrote

Or his neck skins a flappin’

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davidkali t1_iw5yxse wrote

I thought it’d be more when he hides one of his tiny hands.

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androshalforc1 t1_iw2q7dk wrote

if hes breathing... and its entirely possible that if hes not breathing he might have managed to fake his own death so even then.

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Coucoumcfly t1_iw36z90 wrote

Its the same for every narcissists…. Speaking = lying

He just turned the knob To 12

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1live4downvotes t1_iw37fmu wrote

Sorry, I don't mean to be that guy, but that doesn't cover any of his posts on social media. It would probably be easier to pin down when he is telling the truth.

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torpedoguy t1_iw3s961 wrote

Exactly this.

We know he's lying when his lungs exchange gasses with the environing atmosphere. He doesn't have to be using vocal cords.

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Zolo49 t1_iw2yqk6 wrote

Anybody remember when Trump said he’d gladly make his tax returns public if he won the Republican primary in 2016? Pepperidge Farms remembers.

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freddy_guy t1_iw3d82a wrote

What is it right wingers like to say? If you didn't do anything wrong, you shouldn't have anything to hide?

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Art-Zuron t1_iw3rvqu wrote

That's why he's hiding everything, because he has everything to hide. It's too bad pretty much everyone knows what it is he's hiding. But we don't "know" what it is, and money and hate are really good at ignoring laws.

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torpedoguy t1_iw3s1cw wrote

Yes but like in all things they expect a double-standard.

A peasant woman it must apply to when they want to see some breasts.

Your entire medical history it must apply to when they're looking for something to fuck your campaign with.

Their own crimes it must never apply to because otherwise they don't have exclusive use of all existing privacy.

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Wear-Fluid t1_iw1depv wrote

Should go about as well as every other lawsuit he has filed in the last 6 years lol

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tr3v1n t1_iw1fp99 wrote

Which is to say well enough. His strategy here is to drag things out. The committee itself is likely going to shut down soon unless the democrats somehow manage to hold the congress. It isn't impossible the last I checked but they will have to be lucky. He only needs to kick up enough dust to get him into January. On top of that, he will be using his run for reelection as a tool to frame any case against him as a political hitjob. It doesn't really matter if he loses his case after the point where it could have any impact on him.

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agoodfriendofyours t1_iw2f1ow wrote

Yeah, because that's when this session of Congress ends, and they always expected that the new House Speaker would kill the committee (to save money of course) and promptly open up 6 new ones to investigate Hunter Biden.

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Gamebird8 t1_iw41xfi wrote

At this point, the longer Trump is in the spotlight, the more and more damaging he is to the GOP

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cptnamr7 t1_iw2ue4u wrote

I'm confused here. Not too long ago he said he WANTED to testify and was looking forward to it. Why would he file this lawsuit? Weird.... /s

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AudibleNod t1_iw1doqb wrote

But why though?

Didn't he want to march with his legion of followers to the Capitol? Where's that verve now? He's going to deny the halls of congress all his machismo and peerless intellect? The ratings alone are worth the trouble to see recorded video of himself take the steps of - -

 

- oh I see why. Steps are Trump's kryptonite.

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Raffelcoptar92 t1_iw1jscv wrote

He is also weak to ramps

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Xenjael t1_iw1xqp1 wrote

Cant drink water either. Amazing how repubs always support the vilest and most pathetic of candidates.

Wife beater? Rapist? Racist? Pedophile? Republicans love em.

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HardlyDecent t1_iw2ffyo wrote

But, but, the lower taxes! The economy! Biden cancelled the Keystone XL!

-some whiny Republicans who would rather support Nazi beliefs and pseudoscience than women and the environment

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008Zulu t1_iw1dfab wrote

So let the fat orange fascist go to jail for contempt. I'm sure Steve Bannon would like a new celly.

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DToccs t1_iw1hofr wrote

Despite being convicted, Steve Bannon is not in jail.

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verasev t1_iw2lrjw wrote

Someone should go harder on that bastard. Gamergate is his fault and so is most online spaces gaining a huge fascist underbelly.

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BlkSoulDeadHrt t1_iw385ay wrote

He will never go to jail. There are other sentences though that we could all live with.

House arrest.

Social media silence. In and Out.

Bare minimum: To never be allowed to hold office.

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sarcastically_senile t1_iw3ktgd wrote

Disgustingly true. These past 5-10 years has really opened my eyes to the extreme disparity of wealth and political power between the rich/connect versus regular people. How authorities respond to whistle-blower reports, or hell even basic shit like assault or vandalism, are entirely different depending on your personal wealth, perks you give cops, how nice of a place you live at...

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Freexscsa t1_iw1epif wrote

Trying to spend that RNC money on lawsuits before they cut him off.

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GossipOutsider t1_iw5lei6 wrote

He doesn't even need RNC money, he could just email his followers for "freedom fund" against evil Dem's political hit

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ChrisFromIT t1_iw1q1br wrote

This is likely a delay tactic, with him hoping that the GOP does get the majority in Congress. Which then if he can delay it long enough and if the GOP takes the Congress, they might end up canning the whole Jan. 6 committee or fill it with GOP members who then turn it into a farce.

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bluedarky t1_iw1zzn0 wrote

The committee already has its recommendation and evidence to hand over to the DoJ, Trump’s testimony (and his refusal to testify) is just the icing on the cake.

They were already preparing to end the committee before Jan 20th 2023 in case republicans took the house anyway.

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MisallocatedRacism t1_iw34v4w wrote

And until someone actually grabs their nuts and does something about it, it'll keep working.

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hornyjacks t1_iw5cms2 wrote

I fully expect buttery males to make a comeback.

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HunterRoze t1_iw1nyww wrote

Right now I am willing to bet $20 in the next 2 weeks the GOP is going to cut any and all funding to Trump for his legal defense. I also bet we will start to hear rumblings of GOP officials asking where all the money Trump got to help elect people has gone.

Oh this is going to be a glorious hard break

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JennJayBee t1_iw1tq3g wrote

Right now, he's getting all the blame for Tuesday. The propaganda outlets have started to turn on him, because they know that their true loyalty is to the party and not necessarily to Trump.

The party establishment has been waiting for this moment, because they've hated him this whole time. They had a whole ass mountain of blame and talking points ready to go if Tuesday went south, and they gleefully have pulled the trigger.

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NoHalf2998 t1_iw2nprv wrote

Too bad they supported a fascist for power and we keep notes

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Xenjael t1_iw1xtd2 wrote

Republican tears are sweet. I for one intend to keep kicking them while they feel sad about their prospects.

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TenderfootGungi t1_iw38ul4 wrote

He is still getting a not small percentage of political donations instead of the GOP.

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madhatv2 t1_iw1duh6 wrote

what an absolute tosspot

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joliwog t1_iw1jcra wrote

The Biggest Liar and The Biggest Loser? What a combo.

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JennJayBee t1_iw1t72j wrote

Sucks for him that the Republicans have all but turned on Trump after what happened on Tuesday.

For the first time in a long time, I actually have hope that they might just abandon him entirely and let him face consequences.

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Rogue_ChaoticEvil t1_iw361jt wrote

Sorry what happened Tuesday?

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JennJayBee t1_iw3dg25 wrote

New season of "The Crown" dropped.

Other than that, not much— which seems to have really pissed off Republicans.

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Rogue_ChaoticEvil t1_iw3wxtd wrote

Ah so they were expecting a Red Wave then?

It was not very smart to go after abortion right before the mid terms.

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deviltrombone t1_iw1vgtd wrote

So this is the Friday night news drop. I would've preferred "Trump, his crew, and 500+ Republican congressmen and other high-ranking/profile traitors were arrested tonight. Better late than never."

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powerslave789 t1_iw1l3si wrote

"It's a witch hunt! THE FAKE NEWS, LAMESTREAM MEDIA OUT TO GET ME! Sad!" - Donald Trump probably.

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Plonsky2 t1_iw1hz7o wrote

Bring it, you eternal loser!

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ioncloud9 t1_iw3pqme wrote

He’s never going to testify. This is more delay tactics. He’s going to run out the clock on congress and the next one is going to get rid of the committee.

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MrMonstrosoone t1_iw2b6ho wrote

I am so sick of this mans shit

put him in front of the committee making him answer questions, I want to see how stupid he is without massive handling. I will pay for it, make it a pay per view event to decrease the national debt or student loan forgiveness

or better yet, tell him he can keep the money

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dwinps t1_iw379y9 wrote

Like any good crook, he'll just take the 5th 937 times

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siggy940 t1_iw254tg wrote

Frivolous suit but my trust in the judicial system is the lowest its ever been.

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Atotallyrandomname t1_iw2sy09 wrote

Weird, if he hasn't done anything wrong he shouldn't be doing all this. Just go and talk.

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torpedoguy t1_iw3asul wrote

Use rope and a horse to drag him from marde-a-lago to DC if you fucking have to.

No more allowing that fucking traitor to delay. If he gets away of natural causes, the DoJ must be damned for their complicity.

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rain168 t1_iw1nnco wrote

I want to sue my company for compelling me to return to office

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CompetitiveEditor336 t1_iw3tkre wrote

The mid term elections showed that America wants trump to stand trial for his crimes

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Chloe-s_mom2020 t1_iw3ugt1 wrote

His favorite delay tactic. Why do they continue to let him waste the courts time and waste tax payer monies?

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ALBUNDY59 t1_iw4m39a wrote

He should have to testify at the hearing to say why he doesn't want to testify.

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montex66 t1_iw4npo4 wrote

President Bill Clinton. Monica Lewinsky. Cigars. But we can't subpoena Trump?

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NAGDABBITALL t1_iw8sk4k wrote

The constant message should be "Hillary testified for 11 hours. Didn't claim one 5th. Hillary is so much braver than Donald."

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WirelessBCupSupport t1_iw2jkbf wrote

Hey Donny, every good American needs to sue you. Imagine 200million separate lawsuits. Oh and were's your taxes? I think a suit to demand Declaration of his tax records before/during/after office would suffice, yes?

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3eyedflamingo t1_iw2ss8l wrote

"Trump flails helplessly hoping the kangaroo court of the United States will continue to shield him."

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torpedoguy t1_iw3b8xm wrote

The only place it should go is out of the country and into an interrogation site. The fact that he's not tells us too many agencies have been compromised by fascists. Were there any justice left in this country half his damn party would've been extradited before January 10th 2021. Mo Brooks was wearing fucking body armor. THEY HAD SHIRTS MADE.

If it's good enough for random village children arbitrarily accused of terrorism, it's MORE than good enough for an actual terrorist leader whose attacks against the nation were even on CSPAN.

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dwinps t1_iw374mh wrote

He just needs to delay until this Congress is out of session

But yes, Oreo Thomas is Trump's step and fetch it go to house negro

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numanoid t1_iw4lucc wrote

> step and fetch it

*Stepin Fetchit

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dwinps t1_iw36xgi wrote

Trump needs to fuel up his jet and join SBF down in Argentina, permanently

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-Wicked- t1_iw3v7rx wrote

The Jan. 6 committee is going about this all wrong. All they need to do to compel Trump to testify is to get his Twitter account reinstated, then tell him he can provide all testimony and documents via Tweets.

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blackrabbitsrun t1_iw49sxk wrote

Trump: I'll testify!

Committee: Okay here's a subpoena to make sure.

Trump: Wait a minute!

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_malovern_ t1_iw92zzs wrote

Frivolous lawsuits should have consequences.

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goofygarry t1_iw2pn39 wrote

How many people is he suing now? I've been hearing he's in a lot of civil cases and or lawsuits

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Apotropoxy t1_iw2vzdr wrote

The Parasite will never allow things to reach the discovery stage. The "suit" is just a temporizing headline grab.

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billpalto t1_iw32nvz wrote

Standard operating procedure for Trump: sue to delay the process. Then appeal, and keep appealing.

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sys64128 t1_iw3bfu0 wrote

in this country, its just about everyone's tactic. keep appealing until you get the decision you want. lower courts are useless here.

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Didact67 t1_iw3ampo wrote

Unfortunately, he probably only has to delay it until January. If Republicans take the house, the subpoena will be withdrawn, and the entire 1/6 probe will be shut down.

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lowertownn t1_iw6nxtm wrote

They already have everything they need to indict him. And they absolutely knew the timeline to get it done if the Dems lost the house. He will be indicted before January 3rd.

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hotassnuts t1_iw3f93p wrote

This guy gets Loans just to pay for lawyers.

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Cheap_Coffee t1_iw3obys wrote

Twisting in the wind....

Life is good.

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CapnTreee t1_iw3ygi5 wrote

Suing everyone is all this liar has left.

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justforthearticles20 t1_iw477aq wrote

His corrupt Lawyers are still trying to say that a Former President is still above the law.

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Western-Web2957 t1_iw7s41o wrote

Something tells me this Trump guy might not be trustworthy....

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Durdens_Wrath t1_iwimxky wrote

Put him in jail. Regular person defies a subpoena they get charged with contempt and jailed

Charge him with contempt of congress, let the DOJ arrest him and jail him until January at least.

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