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Em_Adespoton t1_ivilwr8 wrote
He’s not wrong, but it’s not new. It started around the time the UK gave Hong Kong back to China, and has just gained enough strength in the past 5 years to be blatant. Things like the CCP telling Canadians with Chinese relatives how to vote, social police stations in major Canadian cities staffed with Chinese police, property ownership, etc.
Sensate60 t1_ivjc439 wrote
Just WTF? Why is Canada allowing illegal police stations in Canada?? Quote from article: "Beijing had funded a “clandestine network” of candidates in Canada’s 2019 election and just days after the federal police force said it was actively investigating a secret network of illegal Chinese “police stations” in Toronto."
Em_Adespoton t1_ivk4461 wrote
The stations aren’t new, but surprisingly their discovery is… and they aren’t just in Toronto. They’re in every major Western city, plus most African cities and probably others we’re still unaware of.
JohnnyOnslaught t1_ivkcubm wrote
> Why is Canada allowing illegal police stations in Canada?
Because they're not actually 'police stations'. This article actually has pictures of them. One is a convenience store. Another is a 'business association'. It's kind of like saying, "Illegal gambling dens? Why are the police allowing it?!" The reason is because they don't generally have signs on the front door saying, "ILLEGAL GAMBLING DEN HERE".
Salty-Pack-4165 t1_ivkix81 wrote
They are using the same loophole made for and used by certain tiny country since 60s. Same loophole is used by number of other police forces to operate in Canada. Until gov changes law there is nothing illegal about it.
WhipTheLlama t1_ivmkkfi wrote
> Beijing had funded a “clandestine network” of candidates in Canada’s 2019 election
Political candidates found to be taking foreign money or under foreign influence should be punished with 20 - 30 years in prison. It has be be severe enough so that very few people would be willing to take their money.
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Cap10Haddock t1_ivkbsxy wrote
I saw a Chinese police car looking thing in California this year.
WhipTheLlama t1_ivmksvb wrote
They don't drive around in obvious vehicles. The whole point of their operation is to stay under the radar.
Cap10Haddock t1_ivn89od wrote
That sounds sensible. However you can see on my post what I saw and took picture of.
WhipTheLlama t1_ivn96hi wrote
Yes, which means that car is not driven by a clandestine Chinese police officer. It's probably owned by someone who's into weird cars.
Considering how far they're going to hide "police stations" inside convenience stores and other fronts, they are definitely not using cars like that.
Cap10Haddock t1_ivn9lg0 wrote
You seem way too confident in your hypothesis.
It may be or may not be. Hard to tell.
Other-Bridge-8892 t1_ivmbd9o wrote
I think that’s just the Griswalds heading out for another vacation trip to Wally World…./s
ShanghaiCycle t1_ivnx132 wrote
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That's not what Chinese police cars look like
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Are you just looking at Chinese writing on red and suspecting the worst?
Cap10Haddock t1_ivozjes wrote
It doesn’t matter if general public doesn’t know what a Chinese police car in China looks like.
evorna t1_ivjazz4 wrote
People from authoritarian regimes who are against democracy should never be allowed to vote in democratic countries as a national security measure
Em_Adespoton t1_ivk4ckh wrote
Most of the people doing the voting are only Canadian. The problem is that they have relatives who aren’t in a Democratic country, and they’re being used as leverage.
DukeOfGeek t1_ivrm4e5 wrote
It's a secret ballot, vote how you please, then lie.
_makoccino_ t1_ivkft48 wrote
And you don't see how that makes you authoritarian?!!
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senorbolsa t1_ivmyc0e wrote
Ohhhh boy that's a fuckin can of worms right there.
There's no way to do that and not also be living in a fascist hellscape yourself.
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ShanghaiCycle t1_ivnxvva wrote
I don't know who needs to hear this, but people in China don't give a thundering fuck about how other countries run their government (until it affects China).
Chinese people aren't losing sleep at night over police brutality in the US, or whatever the fuck is going on in Canada's First Nation community. Those are US/Canada problems to fix.
So if a Chinese person is given the option to vote, who are they going to vote for? The person who's trying to scapegoat their race for a failure in the system? Or someone who wants better relations with China, their homeland.
evorna t1_ivnz25q wrote
Taiwanese should be encouraged to vote in other countries where they live, it’s not a race thing so don’t try to pretend the racism card. Equally Japanese, Koreans should be encouraged to vote
It’s deliberate Chinese/Russian dictatorship meddling and sabotage from brainwashed or corrupted members of those systems that need to be blocked from voting and let’s face it unless you have connections or benefitting from those dictatorships then you wouldn’t likely have had the means to leave those countries to go abroad in the first place
It’s also not a failure of the system that you conveniently added there, the system should be refined and improved, as should all systems… at least democracies can admit their failures and wear them on their slieve unlike dictatorships who have to censor mistakes and even disregard for sovereignty and ip
https://safeguarddefenders.com/en/blog/230000-policing-expands
Their disregard for other peoples hard work and investments
ShanghaiCycle t1_ivo2j7y wrote
Okay, a few things. You're saying Canadian citizens born in the mainland shouldn't be allowed to vote, because just by the nature of them being in Canada means they're already compromised.
Taiwan makes up 0.16% of China's population, so good luck. But all the hate crimes Asians suffer is just sticking it to Xi! Not like Canada has a history of rounding up Asians who might not be loyal enough.
evorna t1_ivo5siv wrote
I’ve seen the Chinese wumaos and nationalists call for the glassing of Taiwan just because it’s just a small amount of people (25 million) since they are expendable as there’s plenty of Chinese people who can take their place… I see indications of this leaning from your comment too
Taiwan is a separate country to china and is a flourishing democracy with high tech capabilities, decades ahead of china and its infantile authoritarian views…
There’s already been plenty of evidence of Chinese censorship attempts of spreading to free countries, meddling in democracies etc whereas there has not been evidence from Taiwan, japan, Korea etc
Also it’s Chinese dictatorship lies to associate anything negative toward them and their crimes against humanity as asian hate in a desperate attempt to deflect away from the truth of their own actions and you are a spreader of this disinformation
ShanghaiCycle t1_ivr90js wrote
> I’ve seen the Chinese wumaos and nationalists call for the glassing of Taiwan just because it’s just a small amount of people (25 million) since they are expendable as there’s plenty of Chinese people who can take their place
Cool anecdote. I'm sure there are, but I heard some Canadians call for the ethnic cleansing of all Arabs.
> I see indications of this leaning from your comment too
No. You're saying you want the Taiwan diaspora vote to compete with the mainland vote (assuming you don't get your wish for them to be stripped of voting rights) when it is less than 1%.
> Taiwan is a separate country to china
Oh cool, maybe going by Republic of China, celebrating China's national holidays, using China's flag, holding China's place in the international community for decades, using the map of China on all official military logos, holding a piece of mainland China, sticking Sun Yat-Sen's face on everything (who has never been to TW), etc. might lead people to believe they have been trying to be the real China.
> and is a flourishing democracy with high tech capabilities, decades ahead of china and its infantile authoritarian views…
Good for them, I like Taiwan. I like Taiwan more when they have amicable relations with Beijing, who they do most of their trade with. Before COVID, you could fly direct to Taiwan from mainland China, and even still you can find thousands of Taiwanese working in cities like Shanghai and Wenzhou. That's much more healthy than, let's say, America and Cuba, who are in a similar geographic situation.
Taiwan's democracy flourished during that time (1990s-2010s), before then it was a military dictatorship hell bent on taking back the mainland and holds the world record for longest martial law period.
Also, it's easier to develop a liberal democracy on an island half the size of Ireland, population of a Chinese city, homogenous population and a head start (untouched by WWII, part of Japanese Empire). And again, I'm not shitting on Taiwan.
> There’s already been plenty of evidence of Chinese censorship attempts of spreading to free countries
Try to make that sentence make sense.
> meddling in democracies
Ask any country in South America or Africa, and it's not China they're worried about in that regard. Name any coup in the past 30 years with China's fingerprints on it...
> whereas there has not been evidence from Taiwan, japan, Korea
Maybe you're too young to remember the Moonies, a South Korean cult that dominated the American and Asian far right. Taiwan is tiny as I said, but they have ordered a hit on Henry Liu in the 80s.
And Japan, if this was the 1980s, you'd be talking about the Japanese menace just as you are talking about China. Whenever a country looks like it's going to be a competitor of the US. Japan is now a subservient where they just let US military personnel have their way with the locals, because what are they going to do about it?
evorna t1_ivra5yf wrote
Haha what a pile of nonsense and deceptions… I’ll just highlight one refutal from personal experience. You cheated by omission…
My Chinese wife needed to go to Taiwan last time she was in china and she could not as a PRC passport holder leave china to fly directly to Taiwan over a year before Covid. We had to go to another country and fly to Taiwan from there due to the Chinese dictatorships infantile totalitarian approach to things when it doesn’t get its way - stop the normal Chinese people from flying directly from china to Taiwan
ShanghaiCycle t1_ivrc6fk wrote
Chinese citizens don't use their passport to fly to Taiwan, since neither side recognises eachother as a foreign country.
> All Mainland residents cannot travel to Taiwan on their passports when departing from Mainland China and must hold a Travel Permit to and from Taiwan (往來台灣通行證), colloquially known as Mainland Resident Travel Permit (大通證), issued by the Chinese authorities.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_policy_of_Taiwan
So the five times I was on a plane from China to Taiwan full of PRC citizens doesn't seem to match your girlfriend's experience.
If we are using anecdotes, my Indonesian friend was blacklisted from Taiwan and was given no reason.
troublesome58 t1_ivjewur wrote
Isn't that undemocratic?
Jabberwoockie t1_ivjg9kg wrote
Strictly speaking, it speaks to the criteria for citizenship, if citizenship is required to vote.
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Outrageous_Heat_4529 t1_ivj8be7 wrote
He’s not, so if Canada doesn’t do something about it… it’s on Canada. Yes, something should be done, and it’s not my job to think of what that should be.
Em_Adespoton t1_ivk4has wrote
The first bit is sunlight. People need to know these things are happening.
JohnHwagi t1_ivk73ze wrote
It seems obviously illegal for China to run social police stations in Canada. If they know they’re there, their equivalent of the FBI should be kicking doors.
WhipTheLlama t1_ivmkwv8 wrote
They're hidden and difficult to find. One was a convenience store.
EasySundayz t1_ivk9xxd wrote
I think it's starting in America too, but no one seems to care.
WirelessBCupSupport t1_ivlmkok wrote
Dunno about police stations but the indoctrination of American children at these Chinese Schools, that are funded by China's PRC, to promote "Chinese Culture" to young American children (Asian-American and others...).
Even their teachers are hired and required to sign paperwork NDAs about where their funding comes from.
How can you have "tuition-free" charter schools in the US? They are funded by China.
"Indoctrination starts at a young age..." ... and the spin now is more about books but not that there is a Mandarin school setup in most counties...
ShanghaiCycle t1_ivnxduk wrote
Actually, Hong Kong wasn't a democracy while being a UK colony. They had a governor appointed by London, and universal suffrage as they know it now didn't start until between 1985 and 1995. That was after the handover was set in stone.
Em_Adespoton t1_ivoqfqo wrote
While true, what you said has no bearing on what I said, which was not about democracy in Hong Kong but about CCP belt and road strategy that began influencing foreign policy around the same time as the handover.
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