its8up t1_iy77ato wrote
Big oil been price fixing for far longer than anyone's been concerned about the 'global warming' of climate change. Is price fixing not an issue that falls under RICO? Why not go after the bastards for all the crimes you can?
Unique-Plum t1_iy82wdz wrote
Price fixing in oil is controlled by OPEC, a cartel of nation states not private oil companies. You can’t sue OPEC for diplomatic reasons.
ZsMann t1_iy7vxja wrote
Becuase you only want to use the ones that you can prove beyond resonable doubt. I have seen the copies from I think Mobil if my memory is correct from like the 60s that discuss emissions and increased temp. Also look at what groups lobbied to change global warming to climate change.
theClumsy1 t1_iy8274c wrote
>change global warming to climate change.
???
Climate change is a more inclusive term to capture all the effects of a warming planet.
Places that were wet before will dry up(some will become more wet), extreme storms will be more frequent, massive swings in temperatures will be frequent, jet streams will change, the gulf stream will change....a warmer global is just the tip of the iceburg of what will happen to the overall and individual climates of the world.
Edit: For example, an idiot will point out a warmer global doesn't directly explain britian will be seeing more snow and colder winters. That's explained by the gulf stream moving due to fresh water dumping into the ocean. Climate change > Global warming
ZsMann t1_iy8ap05 wrote
While you aren't wrong, which is the best kind of correct, people are less concerned with climate change than they were with global warming. Studies were done, and climate change was easier to down play in severity than global warming was.
theClumsy1 t1_iy8his1 wrote
>Studies were done, and climate change was easier to down play in severity than global warming was.
Studies? Source?
ZsMann t1_iy8ls17 wrote
In 2002, Republican consultant Frank Luntz wrote a memo arguing that Republicans start using the latter term. “ ‘Climate change’ is less frightening than ‘global warming,’ ” he wrote. “While global warming has catastrophic connotations attached to it, climate change suggests a more controllable and less emotional challenge.”
I think there's a Cheney documentary that also mentions it with focus groups.
theClumsy1 t1_iy9iali wrote
>Even years before that, international institutions had paved the way for “climate change” to eventually become the prevalent term. The U.N. Framework Convention on Climate Change was negotiated in 1992, and the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change was established in 1988.
I mean...the scientific consensus was using that term prior to the 2002.
Global warming just became the popular choice after congressional testimonials and Al Gore's inconvenient truth came out in 2006.
It wasnt until more recently that we when back to climate change because we are now seeing the effects of it outside of just increasing temperatures. Before it was mostly rising temperatures but we werent seeing historic records being broken every year. Now its europe was on fire, china has a massive increasing desert and Mississippi reaching historics lows in water depth and africa having multi year droughts...etc.
Originalwookie t1_iyb08ej wrote
Yeah but it’s hard to argue for “global warming” to people when it’s -40°.
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